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> It would solve that problem by allowing governments to directly issue certificates for every domain under their TLD, while not actually preventing CAs from do

> It would solve that problem by allowing governments to directly issue certificates for every domain under their TLD, while not actually preventing CAs from doing anything (see Adam Langley's post for why) Definitely a valid point - DNSSEC and DANE are incomplete without Handshake [1]. > quirky version of the DNS It's the same DNS, simply the root was decentralized from ICANN to the commons. > I don't understand why this project is taken seriously. The reason the project is taken so seriously by so many is because the project improves our internet by improving security [2] and gives ownership of the internet back to the people where it originated, and where it belongs [3]. [1] https://github.com/handshake-org/hdns https://github.com/handshake-org/hdns [2] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt '### Proof of Work as a Trust Anchor' [3] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt '# Stakeholders'

tptacek 7y ago
"The commons" is an interesting way to refer to a monetized private blockchain thingy.
- rasengan 7y ago
  "monetized private blockchain thingy" is a gross misrepresentation of the project. Please read the design notes [1] before making any assumptions, sir! Rather than being a 'blockchain' project, Handshake is a project that makes use of blockchain technology to solve a real problem that the world has been trying to solve for some time [2]. [1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN#History
  - tptacek 7y ago
    Is it not monetized? That's the part of this that makes it ridiculous to me. Later: Sure looks monetized: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/handshake https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/handshake Is this just someone stealing the Handshake project's name, or does the Handshake project really believe that a piece of Internet infrastructure will be run off a trading cryptocurrency --- and, not just that, but their trading cryptocurrency?
    - rasengan 7y ago
      Again, sir, I urge you to read the design notes [1] as it will answer many of your questions and uncertainties around this project. That said, you are someone I respect to the highest levels possible, so I sincerely appreciate the comments and criticisms shared thus far and earnestly hope that your participation will continue! With that aside, to answer your question regarding monetized/cryptocurrency, here is an excerpt from the notes and there are far more details that can be found therein: A blockchain is proposed which optimizes for correcting prior weaknesses around acknowledging stakeholders such as existing top-level domain (TLD) holders and optimizes for decentralization (while still allowing for n-of-m attestations). Users use the native token (coin) to register TLDs which are pinned to a specific certificate as the identity. A committed merkelized proof of all top-level names allow for compact, shareable inclusion and exclusion proofs. This blockchain exists to attempt to resolve the need for a globally unique namespace which is necessary to have an association with unique names and certificates. While it's possible to create a singular centralized globally unique association (DNSSEC), a decentralized system can be resolved by creating a blockchain with its own cryptoeconomic incentives (coin), including name auctions of a unique namespace and block creation. Scarce resources require sybil protection, usually managed by a central trusted authority (CAs, ICANN), but can be resolved by having a blockchain based mechanism for global consensus and resource allocation. [1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt (# Project Summary)
      - tptacek 7y ago
        Is Handshake based on a cryptocurrency coin? Does that coin trade on coin markets? Are there early backers and investors? If so: it's a dead project. I don't know why anyone would take it seriously. I'm skeptical of the entire model for any application. But for Internet infrastructure? Never going to happen.
        rasengan 7y ago
        > Is Handshake based on a cryptocurrency coin? Does that coin trade on coin markets? Are there early backers and investors? Handshake is based on the ideal that the internet belongs to the people. > If so: it's a dead project. I don't know why anyone would take it seriously. I'm skeptical of the entire model for any application. But for Internet infrastructure? Never going to happen. People will always strive for better. I believe it will be Handshake, but if not, something else will come. People find a way, that's how we all got here today. This very thread itself is proof that the current system doesn't fulfill the wishes of humanity and there is a need for change. If you believe Handshake has faults, let's all work together and improve it!

tptacek 7y ago

"The commons" is an interesting way to refer to a monetized private blockchain thingy.

rasengan 7y ago
"monetized private blockchain thingy" is a gross misrepresentation of the project. Please read the design notes [1] before making any assumptions, sir! Rather than being a 'blockchain' project, Handshake is a project that makes use of blockchain technology to solve a real problem that the world has been trying to solve for some time [2]. [1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN#History
- tptacek 7y ago
  Is it not monetized? That's the part of this that makes it ridiculous to me. Later: Sure looks monetized: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/handshake https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/handshake Is this just someone stealing the Handshake project's name, or does the Handshake project really believe that a piece of Internet infrastructure will be run off a trading cryptocurrency --- and, not just that, but their trading cryptocurrency?
  - rasengan 7y ago
    Again, sir, I urge you to read the design notes [1] as it will answer many of your questions and uncertainties around this project. That said, you are someone I respect to the highest levels possible, so I sincerely appreciate the comments and criticisms shared thus far and earnestly hope that your participation will continue! With that aside, to answer your question regarding monetized/cryptocurrency, here is an excerpt from the notes and there are far more details that can be found therein: A blockchain is proposed which optimizes for correcting prior weaknesses around acknowledging stakeholders such as existing top-level domain (TLD) holders and optimizes for decentralization (while still allowing for n-of-m attestations). Users use the native token (coin) to register TLDs which are pinned to a specific certificate as the identity. A committed merkelized proof of all top-level names allow for compact, shareable inclusion and exclusion proofs. This blockchain exists to attempt to resolve the need for a globally unique namespace which is necessary to have an association with unique names and certificates. While it's possible to create a singular centralized globally unique association (DNSSEC), a decentralized system can be resolved by creating a blockchain with its own cryptoeconomic incentives (coin), including name auctions of a unique namespace and block creation. Scarce resources require sybil protection, usually managed by a central trusted authority (CAs, ICANN), but can be resolved by having a blockchain based mechanism for global consensus and resource allocation. [1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt (# Project Summary)
    - tptacek 7y ago
      Is Handshake based on a cryptocurrency coin? Does that coin trade on coin markets? Are there early backers and investors? If so: it's a dead project. I don't know why anyone would take it seriously. I'm skeptical of the entire model for any application. But for Internet infrastructure? Never going to happen.
      - rasengan 7y ago
        > Is Handshake based on a cryptocurrency coin? Does that coin trade on coin markets? Are there early backers and investors? Handshake is based on the ideal that the internet belongs to the people. > If so: it's a dead project. I don't know why anyone would take it seriously. I'm skeptical of the entire model for any application. But for Internet infrastructure? Never going to happen. People will always strive for better. I believe it will be Handshake, but if not, something else will come. People find a way, that's how we all got here today. This very thread itself is proof that the current system doesn't fulfill the wishes of humanity and there is a need for change. If you believe Handshake has faults, let's all work together and improve it!