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If anyone's wondering why we have anti-vaxxers... Well, we are living in a time when bodies that could abuse them have proven time and time again that they dese

If anyone's wondering why we have anti-vaxxers... Well, we are living in a time when bodies that could abuse them have proven time and time again that they deserve absolutely zero trust. The root cause is a completely rational crisis of faith in institutions. Regardless of the essential nature of vaccines, given the track record of modern governments you would have to be brain-dead to let them inject substances into the whole population without trepidation. It may easily be more stupid to not even question the system than to be overly paranoid.

floor2 7y ago
Why focus on vaccines if your fear is government conspiracy? Couldn't these same nefarious people be putting 'substances' into the water you drink, the food you eat, the air you breathe, the pills you take, the clothes you wear, the surfaces you touch, etc? By your logic, I don't see why an anti-vaxxer would ever go to the doctor at all. Why would you trust the pills, the surgery, the diagnostic imaging, the blood draws etc but then draw the line at the vaccine injection?
- ajkdhcb2 7y ago
  Food and water supply are important too, who said you can only ¨focus¨ on vaccines? I don't really understand your argument. The controversy with fluoride where some countries are totally against it while others love it shows water is important. Anyway... None of those things you list are comparable to vaccines - something essential that is systematically, uniformly applied over the population with data kept on each individual. The science is complicated and the supply chain is fragile to being compromised. You can grow your own food and have access to tons of different water supplies, aren't forced to take pills, etc. Not many people have the capacity to do large, long term studies on the vaccine and verify that the contents of the injection are what they should be. Empirically it's easy to see that abuse is a real danger. I assume everyone knows how the US government used fake vaccines to get 'terrorist DNA' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...). There are many disturbing stories, usually in undeveloped countries. Other dystopian shit like barcoding people with vaccination data, really seems a small step away from injecting a chip: https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218 https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218. If you make vaccines mandatory, it doesn't farfetched to me that governments will try to move toward these things. You can't gather DNA or chip people with food, water, pills, etc

floor2 7y ago

Why focus on vaccines if your fear is government conspiracy? Couldn't these same nefarious people be putting 'substances' into the water you drink, the food you eat, the air you breathe, the pills you take, the clothes you wear, the surfaces you touch, etc? By your logic, I don't see why an anti-vaxxer would ever go to the doctor at all. Why would you trust the pills, the surgery, the diagnostic imaging, the blood draws etc but then draw the line at the vaccine injection?

ajkdhcb2 7y ago
Food and water supply are important too, who said you can only ¨focus¨ on vaccines? I don't really understand your argument. The controversy with fluoride where some countries are totally against it while others love it shows water is important. Anyway... None of those things you list are comparable to vaccines - something essential that is systematically, uniformly applied over the population with data kept on each individual. The science is complicated and the supply chain is fragile to being compromised. You can grow your own food and have access to tons of different water supplies, aren't forced to take pills, etc. Not many people have the capacity to do large, long term studies on the vaccine and verify that the contents of the injection are what they should be. Empirically it's easy to see that abuse is a real danger. I assume everyone knows how the US government used fake vaccines to get 'terrorist DNA' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...). There are many disturbing stories, usually in undeveloped countries. Other dystopian shit like barcoding people with vaccination data, really seems a small step away from injecting a chip: https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218 https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218. If you make vaccines mandatory, it doesn't farfetched to me that governments will try to move toward these things. You can't gather DNA or chip people with food, water, pills, etc