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And who/what created God -- e.g. who is God's God? And so on? It seems like humans trying to understand a hypothetical God are not unlike ants trying to underst

by ken47 6y ago

And who/what created God -- e.g. who is God's God? And so on? It seems like humans trying to understand a hypothetical God are not unlike ants trying to understand quantum physics.

noodles_ftw 6y ago
Why is there a need to insult anyone when it is you yourself that lacks understanding of the matter. We believers believe that God was uncreated, He is unlike His creation. Only created things have a creator. And God created time itself, so there is no before or after Him. He was always there. So there's no other answer than "that's impossible" to your question. Of course this is hard to understand, but what would you expect? We can't even comprehend the tiny amount of His wisdom He has given us, let alone comprehend all of it. If you're in the sahara desert you basically have all materials you need to create an iPhone. Not in a million billion years will there ever come an iPhone into existence by mere accident of natural forces in that desert, would there? Yet you believe that living things, which are not even comparable in complexity to an iPhone, were formed by a chain of coincidental events in the universe? You can see God if you are willing to, unfortunately most atheists keep their hearts closed...
- ken47 6y ago
  You ascribe beliefs to me via stereotype. I don't "believe" in the Big Bang Theory. I'm content knowing that I don't know. It doesn't strike me as rational to speak in such absolutes about subjects which are beyond human comprehension. To each their own.
  - noodles_ftw 6y ago
    > It seems like humans trying to understand a hypothetical God are not unlike ants trying to understand quantum physics. > You ascribe beliefs to me via stereotype. Not that I feel offended by the first quote, since I don't believe in a hypothetical god, but how am I the one stereotyping you? If you don't believe in God, which you made clear in your first comment, then you disbelieve in Him. So that means you're an atheist, right? Or am I misunderstanding the concept of being an atheist? To each their own of course.
- nybble41 6y ago
  > If you're in the sahara desert you basically have all materials you need to create an iPhone. Not in a million billion years will there ever come an iPhone into existence by mere accident of natural forces in that desert, would there? The evidence says that actually did happen. Abiogenesis and the evolution of human beings were just part of the process of producing an iPhone through a "mere accident" of natural forces over the course of the last 4.5 billion years or so. Producing an iPhone was never the goal, of course–natural processes don't have goals. But it was one of the consequences. If God can exist without being created, so can what you refer to as "His creation". This idea that the visible universe requires a Creator, who in turn does not require a Creator, is arbitrary and capricious.

by ken47 6y ago

And who/what created God -- e.g. who is God's God? And so on? It seems like humans trying to understand a hypothetical God are not unlike ants trying to understand quantum physics.

noodles_ftw 6y ago

Why is there a need to insult anyone when it is you yourself that lacks understanding of the matter. We believers believe that God was uncreated, He is unlike His creation. Only created things have a creator. And God created time itself, so there is no before or after Him. He was always there. So there's no other answer than "that's impossible" to your question. Of course this is hard to understand, but what would you expect? We can't even comprehend the tiny amount of His wisdom He has given us, let alone comprehend all of it. If you're in the sahara desert you basically have all materials you need to create an iPhone. Not in a million billion years will there ever come an iPhone into existence by mere accident of natural forces in that desert, would there? Yet you believe that living things, which are not even comparable in complexity to an iPhone, were formed by a chain of coincidental events in the universe? You can see God if you are willing to, unfortunately most atheists keep their hearts closed...

ken47 6y ago
You ascribe beliefs to me via stereotype. I don't "believe" in the Big Bang Theory. I'm content knowing that I don't know. It doesn't strike me as rational to speak in such absolutes about subjects which are beyond human comprehension. To each their own.
- noodles_ftw 6y ago
  > It seems like humans trying to understand a hypothetical God are not unlike ants trying to understand quantum physics. > You ascribe beliefs to me via stereotype. Not that I feel offended by the first quote, since I don't believe in a hypothetical god, but how am I the one stereotyping you? If you don't believe in God, which you made clear in your first comment, then you disbelieve in Him. So that means you're an atheist, right? Or am I misunderstanding the concept of being an atheist? To each their own of course.
nybble41 6y ago
> If you're in the sahara desert you basically have all materials you need to create an iPhone. Not in a million billion years will there ever come an iPhone into existence by mere accident of natural forces in that desert, would there? The evidence says that actually did happen. Abiogenesis and the evolution of human beings were just part of the process of producing an iPhone through a "mere accident" of natural forces over the course of the last 4.5 billion years or so. Producing an iPhone was never the goal, of course–natural processes don't have goals. But it was one of the consequences. If God can exist without being created, so can what you refer to as "His creation". This idea that the visible universe requires a Creator, who in turn does not require a Creator, is arbitrary and capricious.