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It's a loaded term really. Global warming is umbrella term for 'Extreme Weather Conditions'. You get mega droughts followed by mega flooding (depending on regi

It's a loaded term really. Global warming is umbrella term for 'Extreme Weather Conditions'. You get mega droughts followed by mega flooding (depending on region). Those are tied to global increase in mean temperature.

chrisco255 7y ago
None of this is actually true. Rain patterns are driven by ocean currents. And oceans are driven my Multi-decadal oscillations. Shifts in rain patterns due to these oscillations have always occurred.
- me_me_me 7y ago
  Not sure what you mean by that. The number and severeness of natural disasters is only increasing[0]. Shifts in rain patterns due to these oscillations have always occurred, what does this mean? [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-natural-disaster-events https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-natural-disaste...
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    It says number of "recorded" natural disasters. Do you really think there was only 6 natural disasters in 1920 in the whole world or is this data set a function of a time when the world was not: 1) interconnected by weather satellites and radios 2) globalized with regards to trade and 3) had open data and sharing between governments and standards for reporting on them That means climate change is a natural function going back billions of years. See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/atlantic-multidecadal-oscillation https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/pacific-decadal-oscillation https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/el-nino https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... Here's hurricane data in US going back to 1800s: https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.htm... (Note, we didn't have instrumentation for measuring exact strength of hurricanes prior to satellite era in the 1970s)
    - me_me_me 7y ago
      It feels like you care strongly about it. So I am sorry chrisco, but I am not sure what you are alluding to?
- netjiro 7y ago
  Yes, have always occurred. But now it's amplified due to other effects, partially (or primarily) driven by effects of global warming. It's not the absolute we have to watch out for. It's the rate of change!
netjiro 7y ago
> Global warming is umbrella term for 'Extreme Weather Conditions' Yes and no. It explicitly means that the average temperature, globally, is increasing. Drastically so. Extreme weathers is just one of the side effects. Others include: ecological collapse, insane scale population migration, catastrophic sea level rise, etc, etc.

chrisco255 7y ago

None of this is actually true. Rain patterns are driven by ocean currents. And oceans are driven my Multi-decadal oscillations. Shifts in rain patterns due to these oscillations have always occurred.

me_me_me 7y ago
Not sure what you mean by that. The number and severeness of natural disasters is only increasing[0]. Shifts in rain patterns due to these oscillations have always occurred, what does this mean? [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-natural-disaster-events https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-natural-disaste...
- chrisco255 7y ago
  It says number of "recorded" natural disasters. Do you really think there was only 6 natural disasters in 1920 in the whole world or is this data set a function of a time when the world was not: 1) interconnected by weather satellites and radios 2) globalized with regards to trade and 3) had open data and sharing between governments and standards for reporting on them That means climate change is a natural function going back billions of years. See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/atlantic-multidecadal-oscillation https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/pacific-decadal-oscillation https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/el-nino https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci... Here's hurricane data in US going back to 1800s: https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.htm... (Note, we didn't have instrumentation for measuring exact strength of hurricanes prior to satellite era in the 1970s)
  - me_me_me 7y ago
    It feels like you care strongly about it. So I am sorry chrisco, but I am not sure what you are alluding to?
netjiro 7y ago
Yes, have always occurred. But now it's amplified due to other effects, partially (or primarily) driven by effects of global warming. It's not the absolute we have to watch out for. It's the rate of change!

netjiro 7y ago

> Global warming is umbrella term for 'Extreme Weather Conditions' Yes and no. It explicitly means that the average temperature, globally, is increasing. Drastically so. Extreme weathers is just one of the side effects. Others include: ecological collapse, insane scale population migration, catastrophic sea level rise, etc, etc.