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>Yes. Their goal is to nuke encryption Who is "they"? Are you talking about the deep state? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deep_state https://en.wiktionary.or

>Yes. Their goal is to nuke encryption Who is "they"? Are you talking about the deep state? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deep_state https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deep_state > A large group of people, typically members of government agencies and the military, believed to have long-lasting political influence that is difficult for an administration voted into power to counter. [from 1990s]

neltnerb 7y ago
United States law enforcement doesn't have the greatest track record of not blackmailing people. Or not shooting the wrong person and their dog for good measure. If you want to call the FBI, NSA, and CIA the "deep state" go ahead. They have real names though and aren't secretive about their desire to make (end to end) encryption illegal.
- etrabroline 7y ago
  While the deep state as a scholarly concept does not require secrecy, this bill certainly uses deception to manipulate the public, and did not originate with Representative Feinstein's local constituency as evidenced by the overwhelming opposition. >A deep state can also take the form of entrenched career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial discretionary manner to further their agency mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state The question I wish would be asked is "should the deep state (CIA, NSA etc) be influencing the legislative process to the point of overriding the concerns of voters?" This is pretty funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state#Differences_from_scholarly_understanding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state#Differences_from_sc...
- jekeiko838 7y ago
  Humanity does not have the best track record of not abusing people Wrapping it in nation state theatricality is asinine A while back there was a paper that relied on newly recovered census records found in old rural European churches. This helped fill in gaps in a timeline of who died from what causes, etc Death attributed to fallout of nation state terrorism was normalized out of the data. The result was we still kill each other in random acts of insanity, jealousy, malfeasance as we did 400 years ago It’s the nation state you benefit from brining the real carnage I don’t see you protesting it More like living high off it You’re in a bubble mate
ForHackernews 7y ago
As generally used, the term "deep state" refers to career officials acting in opposition to the democratically-elected leadership of a country. In this case, the elected officials are completely in accord with the desires of the security/intelligence agencies.

neltnerb 7y ago

United States law enforcement doesn't have the greatest track record of not blackmailing people. Or not shooting the wrong person and their dog for good measure. If you want to call the FBI, NSA, and CIA the "deep state" go ahead. They have real names though and aren't secretive about their desire to make (end to end) encryption illegal.

etrabroline 7y ago
While the deep state as a scholarly concept does not require secrecy, this bill certainly uses deception to manipulate the public, and did not originate with Representative Feinstein's local constituency as evidenced by the overwhelming opposition. >A deep state can also take the form of entrenched career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial discretionary manner to further their agency mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state The question I wish would be asked is "should the deep state (CIA, NSA etc) be influencing the legislative process to the point of overriding the concerns of voters?" This is pretty funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state#Differences_from_scholarly_understanding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state#Differences_from_sc...
jekeiko838 7y ago
Humanity does not have the best track record of not abusing people Wrapping it in nation state theatricality is asinine A while back there was a paper that relied on newly recovered census records found in old rural European churches. This helped fill in gaps in a timeline of who died from what causes, etc Death attributed to fallout of nation state terrorism was normalized out of the data. The result was we still kill each other in random acts of insanity, jealousy, malfeasance as we did 400 years ago It’s the nation state you benefit from brining the real carnage I don’t see you protesting it More like living high off it You’re in a bubble mate

ForHackernews 7y ago

As generally used, the term "deep state" refers to career officials acting in opposition to the democratically-elected leadership of a country. In this case, the elected officials are completely in accord with the desires of the security/intelligence agencies.