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I don't think much of that article. It appears to be from a climate heating-denialist book and has a number of errors. If you look at the Wikipedia page on the

I don't think much of that article. It appears to be from a climate heating-denialist book and has a number of errors. If you look at the Wikipedia page on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period ...it shows that the medieval warm period was not a global phenomenon. It also contains comical unchecked claims such as "During the Medieval Warm Period, wine grapes were grown as far north as England, where growing grapes is now not feasible". This is blatantly false, as there is a wine industry in England. With summers getting increasingly warm, recent decades have even seen the development of Welsh wines. Edit: actually it seems to be a selection of articles from different sources, but prominence is given to "Evidence-Based Climate Science", an obscure book, for some reason.

mc32 7y ago
The claim wine grapes were cultivated in England during the MAs (without the aid of technology) is an old claim and predates the politicization of climate change.
- DanBC 7y ago
  That's not a controversial claim. The controversial bit is that wine grapes cannot be grown in England today. They can grow and are grown today.
  - simonh 7y ago
    And back into the 1980s at least, to my personal knowledge. I’ve had a grape vine growing on the side of my shed here in South London for the last 7 years.
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    Grape vines have been grown since forever in the UK. They do fine. They are all over london. What's not easily doable is getting ripe fruit off them (fruit, yes, little green bullets, ripe... much harder). I don't know how it's done commercially currantly[0]. One planted in 1769 is still around. I assume it's under glass. Saw it when I was a kid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Court_Palace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Court_Palace) [0] thank you, thank you Edit: a bit more on that ancient and huge vine https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-great-vine-east-molesey-england https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-great-vine-east-mole...
Zenst 7y ago
When it comes to wine, you just have to look at the Romans, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom another article from a wine grower in the UK has a nice history https://www.winegb.co.uk/visitors/background-info/history-of-the-industry/ https://www.winegb.co.uk/visitors/background-info/history-of...
adelHBN 7y ago
I believe that our climate is warming. I've seen it with my own eyes on trips to Alaska, Nova Scotia and Alberta. Having said that, Europe did go through a little ice age, the end of which opened up shipping routes for the Vikings. I also know from many sources that winemaking existed in Scandanavia before this little ice age, and now has returned to that region. This may be the case: global warming is happening everywhere, but it's more pronounced in the North. And melting icebergs and glaciers make for better PR than say one degree warmer temperatures in the deserts of Saudi Arabia.
tomohawk 7y ago
The medieval warm period is basic history. I just picked a random site that talked about it. As for the wine in England: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/14/dining/drinks/climate-change-wine.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/14/dining/drinks... > Places, like England, that were historically unsuited for producing fine wine have been given the opportunity to join the global wine world, transforming local economies in the process.
- mattkrause 7y ago
  As many college students can attest, there's plenty of wine which is not "fine wine".
  - olivermarks 7y ago
    never drink french red wine sold in bottled water style containers in France unless you have a very robust digestive system. I spent a couple of days in a fetal position after a bender on that stuff...
INTPenis 7y ago
The medieval warm period was most definitely a climate phenomenon with global ramifications though. Seeing as the coast of England was completely different. The higher water levels allowed the vikings to bring their ships much further inland than would be possible today.
JackFr 7y ago
Not to be pedantic but Welsh wines are not exemplary of an English wine industry. That being said, UK wine production is more of a curiosity than an industry. Domestic wine represents 1% of U.K. wine consumption, and they U.K. doesn’t make the top 25 of wine producing nations.
raarts 7y ago
I think the jury is still out on that. It was also found in Antarctica: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018219303190 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00310...

mc32 7y ago

The claim wine grapes were cultivated in England during the MAs (without the aid of technology) is an old claim and predates the politicization of climate change.

DanBC 7y ago
That's not a controversial claim. The controversial bit is that wine grapes cannot be grown in England today. They can grow and are grown today.
- simonh 7y ago
  And back into the 1980s at least, to my personal knowledge. I’ve had a grape vine growing on the side of my shed here in South London for the last 7 years.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  Grape vines have been grown since forever in the UK. They do fine. They are all over london. What's not easily doable is getting ripe fruit off them (fruit, yes, little green bullets, ripe... much harder). I don't know how it's done commercially currantly[0]. One planted in 1769 is still around. I assume it's under glass. Saw it when I was a kid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Court_Palace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Court_Palace) [0] thank you, thank you Edit: a bit more on that ancient and huge vine https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-great-vine-east-molesey-england https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-great-vine-east-mole...

Zenst 7y ago

When it comes to wine, you just have to look at the Romans, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom another article from a wine grower in the UK has a nice history https://www.winegb.co.uk/visitors/background-info/history-of-the-industry/ https://www.winegb.co.uk/visitors/background-info/history-of...

adelHBN 7y ago

I believe that our climate is warming. I've seen it with my own eyes on trips to Alaska, Nova Scotia and Alberta. Having said that, Europe did go through a little ice age, the end of which opened up shipping routes for the Vikings. I also know from many sources that winemaking existed in Scandanavia before this little ice age, and now has returned to that region. This may be the case: global warming is happening everywhere, but it's more pronounced in the North. And melting icebergs and glaciers make for better PR than say one degree warmer temperatures in the deserts of Saudi Arabia.

tomohawk 7y ago

The medieval warm period is basic history. I just picked a random site that talked about it. As for the wine in England: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/14/dining/drinks/climate-change-wine.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/14/dining/drinks... > Places, like England, that were historically unsuited for producing fine wine have been given the opportunity to join the global wine world, transforming local economies in the process.

mattkrause 7y ago
As many college students can attest, there's plenty of wine which is not "fine wine".
- olivermarks 7y ago
  never drink french red wine sold in bottled water style containers in France unless you have a very robust digestive system. I spent a couple of days in a fetal position after a bender on that stuff...

INTPenis 7y ago

The medieval warm period was most definitely a climate phenomenon with global ramifications though. Seeing as the coast of England was completely different. The higher water levels allowed the vikings to bring their ships much further inland than would be possible today.

JackFr 7y ago

Not to be pedantic but Welsh wines are not exemplary of an English wine industry. That being said, UK wine production is more of a curiosity than an industry. Domestic wine represents 1% of U.K. wine consumption, and they U.K. doesn’t make the top 25 of wine producing nations.

raarts 7y ago

I think the jury is still out on that. It was also found in Antarctica: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018219303190 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00310...