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I don't understand this idolization of small over large (or vice versa for others). The thing that matters most is that businesses best satisfy their customers,

I don't understand this idolization of small over large (or vice versa for others). The thing that matters most is that businesses best satisfy their customers, whether they are small or large. There's no benefit to having a small business that provides inferior products or inferior service relative to a large company. I buy from small companies all the time and many of those that I do will likely survive because they provide better goods and services than any large company.

tlrobinson 7y ago
I admire people willing to take risks starting their own business instead of being another cog in the machine. I guess you could say I’m privileged to be able to value more diverse offerings over the absolute lowest prices, but culture suffers when all you have are same 5 retailers and 20 restaurant chains in every town. Also, economies of scale put small businesses at a disadvantage, even if their product isn’t inferior.
noelwelsh 7y ago
Large companies have more power than smaller ones. This could be the power to offer poor products at inflated prices, or power to alter political processes to their favor.
- mikeyouse 7y ago
  Also small companies often employ and are owned by my neighbors.. Amazon doesn't and is owned by a bunch of hedge funds and a dude who buys $200M houses.
  - misun78 7y ago
    Large companies also employ my neighbors, and clearly for a better value as otherwise they would be with smaller ones. As for ownership, Amazon is part of the S&P 500 which is quite literally owned by millions of folks in their savings, 401k's etc. Hence the reality is not that simple.
    - walshemj 7y ago
      And plenty of small investors like me own Amazon via their manged funds
- bhupy 7y ago
  > or power to alter political processes Doing away with large companies doesn't guarantee that this will end, though. An example: while there are few large corporations providing physician services, the American Medical Association lobbies on behalf of the thousands of individual doctors and small private practices, often to the detriment of consumers anyway.
core-questions 7y ago
> There's no benefit to having a small business that provides inferior products or inferior service relative to a large company. Sure there is - in terms of where the profit goes. The profit in a small business goes to the owner(s), who usually live somewhere in the local community, and in turn that money stays within the community to be spent on other businesses there. When a Walmart comes along, the profits all move up the chain to a corporation that is nowhere nearby, effectively sucking the wealth out of small towns in exchange for slightly reduced costs thanks to efficient logistics. The happy medium would be to find a way to have logistics as good as Walmart without having to actually be Walmart.
- raiyu 7y ago
  While this is true, I would be curious of the overall economic impact. A business owner can have a successful business but they aren't really making tremendous profit, so how much of that money really remains in the local community. The other aspect is also that real estate taxes need to be increased, which is the best way to ensure that funds inside a community stay there. This way as more work moves remotely, through real estate taxes the local communities are still able to thrive. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, but it isn't so black and white.
  - viklove 7y ago
    > While this is true, I would be curious of the overall economic impact. Where have you been for the past decade? The economic impact is increasingly concentrated levels of wealth, where a handful of people are vacuuming up pretty much all of the wealth in America. The middle class (local business owners) is shrinking, the labour/wage worker class is growing, and the ultra-wealthy are getting richer. > The other aspect is also that real estate taxes need to be increased No, this also affects local businesses, who do not have the profit margins needed to survive. You need to find a way to limit the power big corporations have, while not hurting small/local business owners. A VAT tax is likely a much better solution to this problem. Increasing real estate taxes is one way to ensure only big corporations with extensive logistics networks and high profit margins, that pay their laborers minimum wage would be able to survive. The point is to prioritize people over corporations, and your solution misses that completely.
jkestner 7y ago
Many small companies can serve a wider variety of customers more precisely. They also increase diversity so we don’t end up with a few large companies optimizing for their local maximum, which is rarely the market’s.
malandrew 7y ago
Looks like everyone responding to me completely ignored the fact that my point wasn't a defense of large businesses, it was about defending businesses that are more customer-centric. i.e. those businesses that better meets the needs of the customer by providing superior value. Many of the replies actually reinforce my point. That could be restaurants that provide better quality food than the large chain restaurants. It could be a butchers that provide higher quality locally sourced meats than what I can get at Safeway and Walmart. It could be businesses making specialized gear that I use in my outdoor endeavors (Hyperlite Mountain Gear, Mountain Laurel Designs, Astral, Kokatat, Alpacka Raft, etc. etc.). It can be businesses that sell things the big businesses don't such as a specialty wine shop. There are tons of good small businesses that provide superior value. Selling the same products as Amazon and Walmart at a higher price with poorer customer service and worse return policy doesn't provide superior value. A good business is one that provides superior value. Being large or small tells me nothing about the value being provided. Everyone focusing on things like pricing power is missing the forest for the trees. If you don't have pricing power, the money is still leaving the community. Instead of going to the middleman that lives far away, it just goes to the manufacturers that live far away. Furthermore, many of these large companies are public, which means everyone within any community has the opportunity of buying a piece of the company on the open market. The communities that buy the most of such large companies probably even keep more wealth in their community than the ones that don't. If enough local people buy shares, then it's possible that more profits flow into that particular community than flow out of that community. With a small local retailer, it just means the money flows into the pocket of one person or one family in the community and no one else in the community can buy into that business and get the benefits of the value generated. This is what happens in places like Lake Chelan in Washington, where one family (the Campbells) has a stranglehold on politics and funnels everything to their businesses, which no one else locally is able to buy into. Strong communities with a solid local economy are those that have many such small businesses that provide superior value. If your community does nothing that an Amazon or Walmart does, then there really isn't anything that's going to flow the balance of payments in your direction and the community will slowly die.

tlrobinson 7y ago

I admire people willing to take risks starting their own business instead of being another cog in the machine. I guess you could say I’m privileged to be able to value more diverse offerings over the absolute lowest prices, but culture suffers when all you have are same 5 retailers and 20 restaurant chains in every town. Also, economies of scale put small businesses at a disadvantage, even if their product isn’t inferior.

noelwelsh 7y ago

Large companies have more power than smaller ones. This could be the power to offer poor products at inflated prices, or power to alter political processes to their favor.

mikeyouse 7y ago
Also small companies often employ and are owned by my neighbors.. Amazon doesn't and is owned by a bunch of hedge funds and a dude who buys $200M houses.
- misun78 7y ago
  Large companies also employ my neighbors, and clearly for a better value as otherwise they would be with smaller ones. As for ownership, Amazon is part of the S&P 500 which is quite literally owned by millions of folks in their savings, 401k's etc. Hence the reality is not that simple.
  - walshemj 7y ago
    And plenty of small investors like me own Amazon via their manged funds
bhupy 7y ago
> or power to alter political processes Doing away with large companies doesn't guarantee that this will end, though. An example: while there are few large corporations providing physician services, the American Medical Association lobbies on behalf of the thousands of individual doctors and small private practices, often to the detriment of consumers anyway.

core-questions 7y ago

> There's no benefit to having a small business that provides inferior products or inferior service relative to a large company. Sure there is - in terms of where the profit goes. The profit in a small business goes to the owner(s), who usually live somewhere in the local community, and in turn that money stays within the community to be spent on other businesses there. When a Walmart comes along, the profits all move up the chain to a corporation that is nowhere nearby, effectively sucking the wealth out of small towns in exchange for slightly reduced costs thanks to efficient logistics. The happy medium would be to find a way to have logistics as good as Walmart without having to actually be Walmart.

raiyu 7y ago
While this is true, I would be curious of the overall economic impact. A business owner can have a successful business but they aren't really making tremendous profit, so how much of that money really remains in the local community. The other aspect is also that real estate taxes need to be increased, which is the best way to ensure that funds inside a community stay there. This way as more work moves remotely, through real estate taxes the local communities are still able to thrive. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, but it isn't so black and white.
- viklove 7y ago
  > While this is true, I would be curious of the overall economic impact. Where have you been for the past decade? The economic impact is increasingly concentrated levels of wealth, where a handful of people are vacuuming up pretty much all of the wealth in America. The middle class (local business owners) is shrinking, the labour/wage worker class is growing, and the ultra-wealthy are getting richer. > The other aspect is also that real estate taxes need to be increased No, this also affects local businesses, who do not have the profit margins needed to survive. You need to find a way to limit the power big corporations have, while not hurting small/local business owners. A VAT tax is likely a much better solution to this problem. Increasing real estate taxes is one way to ensure only big corporations with extensive logistics networks and high profit margins, that pay their laborers minimum wage would be able to survive. The point is to prioritize people over corporations, and your solution misses that completely.

jkestner 7y ago

Many small companies can serve a wider variety of customers more precisely. They also increase diversity so we don’t end up with a few large companies optimizing for their local maximum, which is rarely the market’s.

malandrew 7y ago

Looks like everyone responding to me completely ignored the fact that my point wasn't a defense of large businesses, it was about defending businesses that are more customer-centric. i.e. those businesses that better meets the needs of the customer by providing superior value. Many of the replies actually reinforce my point. That could be restaurants that provide better quality food than the large chain restaurants. It could be a butchers that provide higher quality locally sourced meats than what I can get at Safeway and Walmart. It could be businesses making specialized gear that I use in my outdoor endeavors (Hyperlite Mountain Gear, Mountain Laurel Designs, Astral, Kokatat, Alpacka Raft, etc. etc.). It can be businesses that sell things the big businesses don't such as a specialty wine shop. There are tons of good small businesses that provide superior value. Selling the same products as Amazon and Walmart at a higher price with poorer customer service and worse return policy doesn't provide superior value. A good business is one that provides superior value. Being large or small tells me nothing about the value being provided. Everyone focusing on things like pricing power is missing the forest for the trees. If you don't have pricing power, the money is still leaving the community. Instead of going to the middleman that lives far away, it just goes to the manufacturers that live far away. Furthermore, many of these large companies are public, which means everyone within any community has the opportunity of buying a piece of the company on the open market. The communities that buy the most of such large companies probably even keep more wealth in their community than the ones that don't. If enough local people buy shares, then it's possible that more profits flow into that particular community than flow out of that community. With a small local retailer, it just means the money flows into the pocket of one person or one family in the community and no one else in the community can buy into that business and get the benefits of the value generated. This is what happens in places like Lake Chelan in Washington, where one family (the Campbells) has a stranglehold on politics and funnels everything to their businesses, which no one else locally is able to buy into. Strong communities with a solid local economy are those that have many such small businesses that provide superior value. If your community does nothing that an Amazon or Walmart does, then there really isn't anything that's going to flow the balance of payments in your direction and the community will slowly die.