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Except what we're learning now, hospitals can be a death sentence. If you've under 40 and need a non invasive ventilator, it's nearly a 50/50 chance you'll surv

Except what we're learning now, hospitals can be a death sentence. If you've under 40 and need a non invasive ventilator, it's nearly a 50/50 chance you'll survive. If you need intubation, that chance drops rapidly.

barkingcat 7y ago
Yup ! I suggest waiting until there are better treatment options before getting sick!! That's exactly why we're all staying home. Stay home. keep healthy until there is a vaccine or a better standard of care. If you want to riot, wait until there's a better thing than just going on the ventilator at the hospital and dying. Unless you want to martyr in protest which is also a valid way to go.
mrunkel 7y ago
So, if I understand you properly, being sick enough that you need to be in a hospital is bad for your health? And the sicker you are the more likely it is that you won't recover? Are you positing that the same people would have better survival rates at home?
- barkingcat 7y ago
  There is no cure or treatment for covid-19. The standard of care for home patients are: stay home, self isolate from other members of the household, drink lots of fluids, do-or-don't-take-these-several-kinds-of-otc-meds (conflicting findings about anti-inflammatory drugs), etc. and let your body heal itself, or die. At the hospital, they have additional equipment: the ability to isolate you so you don't infect anyone else, provide oxygen at a higher purity and rate, various drugs and techniques to facilitate your body to heal itself (for ex. medically induced coma), and the ventilator and ecmo's which take over certain body functions so your damaged organs don't have to (ie mechanical lung, mechanical kidney (dialysis), mechanical heart, etc). None of those items are cures. Novel coronavirus means New to human biology - no body, including evolution, has seen this before and no, we don't have a cure. Going to the hospital means there are no other options other than to put you on extraordinary measures - of course it means that you might not recover. Again, there is no cure at the moment, no pill you can take to get better. [edit: the exception is if you get into one of those drug trials at a hospital that is offering experimental treatments - it could be worth it - since you'd be offering your body to science to fight this virus. Pasteur had to infect himself in order to test his vaccines, many of those on experimental trials are just like him - bravely trying things out to see if they work.] Stay at home everyone, so we can properly investigate. In IT outage terms, this is the time when all systems are down, and the incident commander is going "I know that all the database servers are down," "no I don't know why," and "could you please stop issuing extraneous replication requests to the master server?? issuing replication right now is no use because the master server is just not there."
  - mrunkel 7y ago
    I agree with you. I was trying to understand the other guy's reasoning.

barkingcat 7y ago

Yup ! I suggest waiting until there are better treatment options before getting sick!! That's exactly why we're all staying home. Stay home. keep healthy until there is a vaccine or a better standard of care. If you want to riot, wait until there's a better thing than just going on the ventilator at the hospital and dying. Unless you want to martyr in protest which is also a valid way to go.

mrunkel 7y ago

So, if I understand you properly, being sick enough that you need to be in a hospital is bad for your health? And the sicker you are the more likely it is that you won't recover? Are you positing that the same people would have better survival rates at home?

barkingcat 7y ago
There is no cure or treatment for covid-19. The standard of care for home patients are: stay home, self isolate from other members of the household, drink lots of fluids, do-or-don't-take-these-several-kinds-of-otc-meds (conflicting findings about anti-inflammatory drugs), etc. and let your body heal itself, or die. At the hospital, they have additional equipment: the ability to isolate you so you don't infect anyone else, provide oxygen at a higher purity and rate, various drugs and techniques to facilitate your body to heal itself (for ex. medically induced coma), and the ventilator and ecmo's which take over certain body functions so your damaged organs don't have to (ie mechanical lung, mechanical kidney (dialysis), mechanical heart, etc). None of those items are cures. Novel coronavirus means New to human biology - no body, including evolution, has seen this before and no, we don't have a cure. Going to the hospital means there are no other options other than to put you on extraordinary measures - of course it means that you might not recover. Again, there is no cure at the moment, no pill you can take to get better. [edit: the exception is if you get into one of those drug trials at a hospital that is offering experimental treatments - it could be worth it - since you'd be offering your body to science to fight this virus. Pasteur had to infect himself in order to test his vaccines, many of those on experimental trials are just like him - bravely trying things out to see if they work.] Stay at home everyone, so we can properly investigate. In IT outage terms, this is the time when all systems are down, and the incident commander is going "I know that all the database servers are down," "no I don't know why," and "could you please stop issuing extraneous replication requests to the master server?? issuing replication right now is no use because the master server is just not there."
- mrunkel 7y ago
  I agree with you. I was trying to understand the other guy's reasoning.