I was mocking that idea, not supporting it. The problem always was that it’s really hard to give evidence for what’s basically different ideas about human natur

I was mocking that idea, not supporting it. The problem always was that it’s really hard to give evidence for what’s basically different ideas about human nature. And that the truth is almost certainly some mixture of circumstances and individual shortcomings. But when unemployment suddenly jumps to maybe 20 or 30%, that uncertainty vanishes, and gone with it is any legitimization for purely punitive policies.