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> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Nothing will be the breaking point short of politic

> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Nothing will be the breaking point short of political revolution. The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power. That's how authoritarian regimes work. Combined with the fact that they are powerful enough geopolitically that no other nation will do anything about it, China is set on its' dystopian nightmare future.

unityByFreedom 7y ago
> The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power That may be happening now via the virus. China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Millions died in Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and then again later in his "Cultural Revolution". Not only did he lead the country through two periods of extreme death and famine, but also he is still an icon to many in China. Xi could very well do the same thing.
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- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  > China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Many of the Chinese economic growth and development stats are fudged or are often unconsidered unreliable. I don't know why people think they'd be any more truthful about a case count. Wuhan does have a reputation of being the #1 source of Chinese punk bands tho.
nostrademons 7y ago
I think the implication of the grandparent is political revolution. Personally I think it's a little unlikely at the moment because of China's surveillance state and generally rising standards of living in China over the last couple decades, but FWIW the Syrian Civil War was started over graffiti.
- vkou 7y ago
  The Syrian civil war was started over bread and unemployment.
- 0x8BADF00D 7y ago
  As the lockdown showed, many people are happy with authoritarianism if they think their government is keeping them safe and well fed. Only until the majority starve will there be revolution.
  - shakezula 7y ago
    The French have a saying - “revolution is only three meals away.”
    - pacoverdi 7y ago
      As a Frenchman, never heard of it.
      - blaser-waffle 7y ago
        As a Frenchman he's never missed 3 meals
    - 411111111111111 7y ago
      So, Lenin is French now?
      - shakezula 7y ago
        I have heard this attributed to Lenin but I've also seen other earlier and/or different attributions to it, so /shrug
  - californical 7y ago
    I can't disagree more -- I am completely following all social distancing in California. Staying home, only going out when necessary, having virtual gatherings with friends. I'm also supporting our government enforcing these policies for others. But it's absolutely not because I trust our government to keep us safe, nor do I trust them to decide to keep people home. I trust the greater scientific community, and my own due diligence in understanding the issue, and am making an informed decision. I abhor the fact that people are protesting the stay-at-home order en masse in some states, but I believe that they're looking at it from the same perspective as me. I feel it was a failure of their education to not understand the issue, and that they're doing the rational thing if they believe they're being forced into authoritarianism. I also believe they're doing the rational thing since we have very little social support system for many of those people, but that's beside the point. If the government made all guns illegal and said "we haven't gotten rid of all guns from the streets, you must stay home or risk being shot by rogue gunmen, with a fine of $1000 for leaving home", I would also be protesting in the same way as those people today. I can't speak for other countries, but people in the U.S. are very opposed to being told what to do, especially by their government. Most are okay with it in a pinch for a short while, but I don't think any sort of authoritarianism is going to fly in the U.S. long term.
boobsbr 7y ago
It's not a dystopian future anymore, it's the present reality. The nightmare has been realized.

unityByFreedom 7y ago

> The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power That may be happening now via the virus. China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Millions died in Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and then again later in his "Cultural Revolution". Not only did he lead the country through two periods of extreme death and famine, but also he is still an icon to many in China. Xi could very well do the same thing.

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blaser-waffle 7y ago
> China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Many of the Chinese economic growth and development stats are fudged or are often unconsidered unreliable. I don't know why people think they'd be any more truthful about a case count. Wuhan does have a reputation of being the #1 source of Chinese punk bands tho.

nostrademons 7y ago

I think the implication of the grandparent is political revolution. Personally I think it's a little unlikely at the moment because of China's surveillance state and generally rising standards of living in China over the last couple decades, but FWIW the Syrian Civil War was started over graffiti.

vkou 7y ago
The Syrian civil war was started over bread and unemployment.
0x8BADF00D 7y ago
As the lockdown showed, many people are happy with authoritarianism if they think their government is keeping them safe and well fed. Only until the majority starve will there be revolution.
- shakezula 7y ago
  The French have a saying - “revolution is only three meals away.”
  - pacoverdi 7y ago
    As a Frenchman, never heard of it.
    - blaser-waffle 7y ago
      As a Frenchman he's never missed 3 meals
  - 411111111111111 7y ago
    So, Lenin is French now?
    - shakezula 7y ago
      I have heard this attributed to Lenin but I've also seen other earlier and/or different attributions to it, so /shrug
- californical 7y ago
  I can't disagree more -- I am completely following all social distancing in California. Staying home, only going out when necessary, having virtual gatherings with friends. I'm also supporting our government enforcing these policies for others. But it's absolutely not because I trust our government to keep us safe, nor do I trust them to decide to keep people home. I trust the greater scientific community, and my own due diligence in understanding the issue, and am making an informed decision. I abhor the fact that people are protesting the stay-at-home order en masse in some states, but I believe that they're looking at it from the same perspective as me. I feel it was a failure of their education to not understand the issue, and that they're doing the rational thing if they believe they're being forced into authoritarianism. I also believe they're doing the rational thing since we have very little social support system for many of those people, but that's beside the point. If the government made all guns illegal and said "we haven't gotten rid of all guns from the streets, you must stay home or risk being shot by rogue gunmen, with a fine of $1000 for leaving home", I would also be protesting in the same way as those people today. I can't speak for other countries, but people in the U.S. are very opposed to being told what to do, especially by their government. Most are okay with it in a pinch for a short while, but I don't think any sort of authoritarianism is going to fly in the U.S. long term.

boobsbr 7y ago

It's not a dystopian future anymore, it's the present reality. The nightmare has been realized.