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>> One-player online games will also be subject to surveillance, as a new real-name mechanism is going to be implemented in China. Also, the new law will not al

>> One-player online games will also be subject to surveillance, as a new real-name mechanism is going to be implemented in China. Also, the new law will not allow for zombies and plagues, map editing, roleplaying, as well as organizing a union in games — regulations which are believed to be inspired by the sensitive content made by Joshua Wong. Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. It would be hilarious if it were zombies or map editing/mods. It's amazing that Joshua Wang's actions have resulted in the game being made unavailable for an entire nation. Banning the entire game is also an incredible example of the streisand effect.

jxramos 7y ago
Certainly Streisanded me straight into looking up who this Joshua Wong fella is who made some so called "sensitive content". Must be too irritating to sensitive thin skin types https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/15/activist-joshua-wong-trolls-chinese-censors-after-gamers-blame-him-for-animal-crossing-ban/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/15/activist-joshua-wong-troll...
aphextron 7y ago
> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Nothing will be the breaking point short of political revolution. The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power. That's how authoritarian regimes work. Combined with the fact that they are powerful enough geopolitically that no other nation will do anything about it, China is set on its' dystopian nightmare future.
- unityByFreedom 7y ago
  > The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power That may be happening now via the virus. China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Millions died in Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and then again later in his "Cultural Revolution". Not only did he lead the country through two periods of extreme death and famine, but also he is still an icon to many in China. Xi could very well do the same thing.
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  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    > China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Many of the Chinese economic growth and development stats are fudged or are often unconsidered unreliable. I don't know why people think they'd be any more truthful about a case count. Wuhan does have a reputation of being the #1 source of Chinese punk bands tho.
- nostrademons 7y ago
  I think the implication of the grandparent is political revolution. Personally I think it's a little unlikely at the moment because of China's surveillance state and generally rising standards of living in China over the last couple decades, but FWIW the Syrian Civil War was started over graffiti.
  - vkou 7y ago
    The Syrian civil war was started over bread and unemployment.
  - 0x8BADF00D 7y ago
    As the lockdown showed, many people are happy with authoritarianism if they think their government is keeping them safe and well fed. Only until the majority starve will there be revolution.
    - shakezula 7y ago
      The French have a saying - “revolution is only three meals away.”
      - pacoverdi 7y ago
        As a Frenchman, never heard of it.
        blaser-waffle 7y ago
        As a Frenchman he's never missed 3 meals
      - 411111111111111 7y ago
        So, Lenin is French now?
        shakezula 7y ago
        I have heard this attributed to Lenin but I've also seen other earlier and/or different attributions to it, so /shrug
- boobsbr 7y ago
  It's not a dystopian future anymore, it's the present reality. The nightmare has been realized.
onetimemanytime 7y ago
>>Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Their policy must be to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it
woutr_be 7y ago
> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. If anything, I believe this will be used to create more anger towards the democracy movement in Hong Kong. Blaming these restrictions on them because they are endangering “national security”. I remember when PUBG got “banned” in China, there wasn’t any real backlash against it. People are still playing it, although only against Chinese players.
frequentnapper 7y ago
>Wang's It's actually Wong.
hatenberg 7y ago
You'd think so but as we see in the US again and again as well these days, breaking points are well past what people believe.
jhanschoo 7y ago
> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Ever since WWII, with Marxist scholars observing that Nazi states don't receive the unrest (to them: class struggle) that we'd otherwise expect it to have, they've strongly suspected that cultural hegemony goes a long way to preventing unrest. This comes especially into relevance when you consider that the CCP is in a position of cultural hegemony with respect to its citizens to an extent that free societies simply aren't. The more China is able to prevent its people from accessing actually trustable institutions, the stronger its citizens obedience to it. You say Streisand effect, but this is very greatly weakened when the state controls the most powerful communication platforms, and have suppressed communication media that it doesn't control.

jxramos 7y ago

Certainly Streisanded me straight into looking up who this Joshua Wong fella is who made some so called "sensitive content". Must be too irritating to sensitive thin skin types https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/15/activist-joshua-wong-trolls-chinese-censors-after-gamers-blame-him-for-animal-crossing-ban/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/15/activist-joshua-wong-troll...

aphextron 7y ago

> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Nothing will be the breaking point short of political revolution. The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power. That's how authoritarian regimes work. Combined with the fact that they are powerful enough geopolitically that no other nation will do anything about it, China is set on its' dystopian nightmare future.

unityByFreedom 7y ago
> The CCP has gladly murdered its' own citizens by the thousands before and they will gladly do so again to maintain power That may be happening now via the virus. China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Millions died in Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and then again later in his "Cultural Revolution". Not only did he lead the country through two periods of extreme death and famine, but also he is still an icon to many in China. Xi could very well do the same thing.
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- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  > China's case count is still around 80k, where it has been since the virus started taking off elsewhere. Many of the Chinese economic growth and development stats are fudged or are often unconsidered unreliable. I don't know why people think they'd be any more truthful about a case count. Wuhan does have a reputation of being the #1 source of Chinese punk bands tho.
nostrademons 7y ago
I think the implication of the grandparent is political revolution. Personally I think it's a little unlikely at the moment because of China's surveillance state and generally rising standards of living in China over the last couple decades, but FWIW the Syrian Civil War was started over graffiti.
- vkou 7y ago
  The Syrian civil war was started over bread and unemployment.
- 0x8BADF00D 7y ago
  As the lockdown showed, many people are happy with authoritarianism if they think their government is keeping them safe and well fed. Only until the majority starve will there be revolution.
  - shakezula 7y ago
    The French have a saying - “revolution is only three meals away.”
    - pacoverdi 7y ago
      As a Frenchman, never heard of it.
      - blaser-waffle 7y ago
        As a Frenchman he's never missed 3 meals
    - 411111111111111 7y ago
      So, Lenin is French now?
      - shakezula 7y ago
        I have heard this attributed to Lenin but I've also seen other earlier and/or different attributions to it, so /shrug
boobsbr 7y ago
It's not a dystopian future anymore, it's the present reality. The nightmare has been realized.

onetimemanytime 7y ago

>>Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Their policy must be to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it

woutr_be 7y ago

> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. If anything, I believe this will be used to create more anger towards the democracy movement in Hong Kong. Blaming these restrictions on them because they are endangering “national security”. I remember when PUBG got “banned” in China, there wasn’t any real backlash against it. People are still playing it, although only against Chinese players.

frequentnapper 7y ago

>Wang's It's actually Wong.

hatenberg 7y ago

You'd think so but as we see in the US again and again as well these days, breaking points are well past what people believe.

jhanschoo 7y ago

> Something will be the breaking point for this level of restriction/overreach in the name of surveillance. Ever since WWII, with Marxist scholars observing that Nazi states don't receive the unrest (to them: class struggle) that we'd otherwise expect it to have, they've strongly suspected that cultural hegemony goes a long way to preventing unrest. This comes especially into relevance when you consider that the CCP is in a position of cultural hegemony with respect to its citizens to an extent that free societies simply aren't. The more China is able to prevent its people from accessing actually trustable institutions, the stronger its citizens obedience to it. You say Streisand effect, but this is very greatly weakened when the state controls the most powerful communication platforms, and have suppressed communication media that it doesn't control.