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Agreed. I'm only here to see how worked up people can get about another phone that's 98% the same as all the other phones. As for it being faster than all Andr

Agreed. I'm only here to see how worked up people can get about another phone that's 98% the same as all the other phones. As for it being faster than all Android phones. Ok. And? I dont look at my Galaxy and say "if only this was 1 or 2 or 5 or 6.7% faster." We are kind of past the "it should be faster!" for basically ALL smartphones in my view.

rodolphoarruda 7y ago
I second this. I own a 2017 iPhone SE. Firefox, Gmail and Waze launch in a blink of an eye, and that's good enough speed for me. 1/2 blink of an eye speed won't make much of a difference. edit: iPhone year is actually 2017, not 2015.
dangus 7y ago
This phone is a certified big fucking deal in terms of market impact. It takes the “iPhone most people should buy” from $750 to $399. It completely demolishes the Pixel 3A and makes that phone just about impossible to recommend. A load of Android OEMs selling at this price point should be terrified. And much more than the original iPhone SE, expect this phone or a $399 phone to finally stick around for Apple. The iPhone SE seemed like an experiment or a way to squeeze out more use out of some remaining machinery. But, I don’t know, this feels different. Apple is selling a price point and they’re going to keep that permanently. Look how much fanfare is on the home page of their site. This thing might even be updated every year. And honestly, the iPhone SE is too small for most people and had more downsides than this.
- thdrdt 7y ago
  It heavily depends on the country. There are only a hand full of countries where iOS and Android almost have the same market share (US, UK, SE for example). In most countries this is not the case. Android share is still very dominant world wide (~80% vs ~20%). Switching to another OS / ecosystem is not something done easily. When you are an Android user and everyone around you is why switch to iOS? There are plenty of good Android devices available for $400-$750. Also: in a lot of countries people just prefer a very big screen size. So I think your comment is a little over the top. Yes it might attract some customers but I don't believe it will mean an exodus of Android users.
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  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    Doesn’t almost every country except a few possibly exceptions prefer larger phones?
- goatherders 7y ago
  I'm sure the price point will induce some people to buy it. and I'm sure android users will be in that group. But I use Android and am looking for a new phone. I wont be considering anything Apple, even at a much lower price point. Agree that it will be interesting to see what happens to the sales of their higher priced phones.
oarsinsync 7y ago
Some of us are using a four year old phone that is likely to be EOL in a little over a year, struggling with battery issues, camera issues, general stability issues, etc. Some of us continued to hold out in the hopes that there might be a new device announced that wouldn’t require spending $700+ on something that is effectively worse than what we already have. Some of us are pretty disappointed that we now need to spend money to maintain a device that is unlikely to receive security updates past IOS 14, or spend money on something that is explicitly against what we want. I’ll get over it myself, but it won’t stop me being frustrated in the immediate term, because you’re absolutely right. Instead of being anything new and useful (as price point isn’t a big differentiator on here, given average earnings), it is just another phone, and it’s just like all the other phones out on the market. It’s too damn big.
fiblye 7y ago
The problem is the endless treadmill of software bloat. Every little bit helps when you're dealing with webpages today.
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  If bloat is your true problem, having cpu say 5% faster won't solve anything at all. On Android, you can at least revert to clean Lionage/whatever Android installation for most devices, and all folks report remarkable improvement of overall speed of device, sometimes also battery life. Also, I don't get the phone 'workflow' where you heavily depend on computing power to render some web pages faster. Connection reliability is usually much bigger factor if that's what you really do (which is strange but maybe I am not a typical phone user).
  - fiblye 7y ago
    JavaScript these days is incredibly heavy. Most phones this year don’t have any trouble, but you can feel a huge difference between, say, a typical 2018 phone and a 2017 phone in rendering speed. If you’re planning on keeping your phone for a few years, you’ll notice.
wooger 7y ago
Every phone apple have released since the 5S has been faster than every other phone by a laughable amount, especially in JS benchmarks & web performance. The SE is nothing new. For a long time, Apple's 2 gen old phones were still faster (based on Geekbench) than the fastest android phone.

rodolphoarruda 7y ago

I second this. I own a 2017 iPhone SE. Firefox, Gmail and Waze launch in a blink of an eye, and that's good enough speed for me. 1/2 blink of an eye speed won't make much of a difference. edit: iPhone year is actually 2017, not 2015.

dangus 7y ago

This phone is a certified big fucking deal in terms of market impact. It takes the “iPhone most people should buy” from $750 to $399. It completely demolishes the Pixel 3A and makes that phone just about impossible to recommend. A load of Android OEMs selling at this price point should be terrified. And much more than the original iPhone SE, expect this phone or a $399 phone to finally stick around for Apple. The iPhone SE seemed like an experiment or a way to squeeze out more use out of some remaining machinery. But, I don’t know, this feels different. Apple is selling a price point and they’re going to keep that permanently. Look how much fanfare is on the home page of their site. This thing might even be updated every year. And honestly, the iPhone SE is too small for most people and had more downsides than this.

thdrdt 7y ago
It heavily depends on the country. There are only a hand full of countries where iOS and Android almost have the same market share (US, UK, SE for example). In most countries this is not the case. Android share is still very dominant world wide (~80% vs ~20%). Switching to another OS / ecosystem is not something done easily. When you are an Android user and everyone around you is why switch to iOS? There are plenty of good Android devices available for $400-$750. Also: in a lot of countries people just prefer a very big screen size. So I think your comment is a little over the top. Yes it might attract some customers but I don't believe it will mean an exodus of Android users.
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- skinnymuch 7y ago
  Doesn’t almost every country except a few possibly exceptions prefer larger phones?
goatherders 7y ago
I'm sure the price point will induce some people to buy it. and I'm sure android users will be in that group. But I use Android and am looking for a new phone. I wont be considering anything Apple, even at a much lower price point. Agree that it will be interesting to see what happens to the sales of their higher priced phones.

oarsinsync 7y ago

Some of us are using a four year old phone that is likely to be EOL in a little over a year, struggling with battery issues, camera issues, general stability issues, etc. Some of us continued to hold out in the hopes that there might be a new device announced that wouldn’t require spending $700+ on something that is effectively worse than what we already have. Some of us are pretty disappointed that we now need to spend money to maintain a device that is unlikely to receive security updates past IOS 14, or spend money on something that is explicitly against what we want. I’ll get over it myself, but it won’t stop me being frustrated in the immediate term, because you’re absolutely right. Instead of being anything new and useful (as price point isn’t a big differentiator on here, given average earnings), it is just another phone, and it’s just like all the other phones out on the market. It’s too damn big.

fiblye 7y ago

The problem is the endless treadmill of software bloat. Every little bit helps when you're dealing with webpages today.

saiya-jin 7y ago
If bloat is your true problem, having cpu say 5% faster won't solve anything at all. On Android, you can at least revert to clean Lionage/whatever Android installation for most devices, and all folks report remarkable improvement of overall speed of device, sometimes also battery life. Also, I don't get the phone 'workflow' where you heavily depend on computing power to render some web pages faster. Connection reliability is usually much bigger factor if that's what you really do (which is strange but maybe I am not a typical phone user).
- fiblye 7y ago
  JavaScript these days is incredibly heavy. Most phones this year don’t have any trouble, but you can feel a huge difference between, say, a typical 2018 phone and a 2017 phone in rendering speed. If you’re planning on keeping your phone for a few years, you’ll notice.

wooger 7y ago

Every phone apple have released since the 5S has been faster than every other phone by a laughable amount, especially in JS benchmarks & web performance. The SE is nothing new. For a long time, Apple's 2 gen old phones were still faster (based on Geekbench) than the fastest android phone.