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Accruing positive sentiment in the dev community through acquisitions of someone else's nice things. Who came up with that crazy idea? GitHub isn't Microsoft. Y

by metreo 7y ago

Accruing positive sentiment in the dev community through acquisitions of someone else's nice things. Who came up with that crazy idea? GitHub isn't Microsoft. You can't buy brand loyalty.

kortilla 7y ago
Ah, but they can. The older folks will remember GitHub being a separate thing but as hundreds of thousands of new devs enter the ecosystem every year, they are introduced to a cool GitHub tool by Microsoft. They don’t know that it was separate nor the animosity towards MS. You can’t change people’s minds on emotional baggage like this. You just wait for them to die off/retire and target the new blood.
- metreo 7y ago
  Personally I've always found GitLab's design much more user friendly and the code and repository layout is much nicer than the spartan and cold GitHub. About all Microsoft has dared to change (at least transparently) since obtaining GitHub has been the pricing page, and objectively speaking right now... it's a hot confusing mess. A mascot featuring tentacles is all too fitting here. I don't know a lot about NPM or JS but it's being described as a dumpster fire which is also all too fitting. And I'm able smirk as I write that with no animosity or skin in the game.
  - metreo 7y ago
    Actually they may have done updates to the fonts which overall look slightly larger in certain contexts.
- DeathArrow 7y ago
  >You can’t change people’s minds on emotional baggage like this. I believe you can. They changed mine.
faizmokhtar 7y ago
I think Microsoft is cool now. Certainly much better than Google.
- metreo 7y ago
  Actually they are probably the coolest if not cooler: https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/ https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-... even Google doesn't get to track every file you open, which I agree is way less cool. ;)
  - gh123man 7y ago
    You don't think google has telemetry on every file you open in google docs? Same problem - different ecosystem. In fact, you literally have to ask google for your file in order to view it in the first place.
    - metreo 7y ago
      Obviously yes, Google is scanning your Gmail emails and doing telemetry on every document you put into their services. That gets a decent amount of attention but it's no where near the amount of information Microsoft gets from you if you happen to be a Windows user. Google's search history on you would pale in comparison in terms of profiling, etc.
  - Hawxy 7y ago
    That's a pretty awful article from the age of "putting windows 10 and spying in the title generates easy clicks". The quoted statement had nothing to do with Windows 10 and was specifically do with Microsoft's digital services like Hotmail & OneDrive, which the statement has now been updated to clarify: "Finally, we will retain, access, transfer, disclose, and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails in Outlook.com, or files in private folders on OneDrive), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to do any of the following:" Microsoft doesn't care about your local files, but you agree with the generic "to comply with laws and protect our systems" statement if you decide to use their cloud services.

by metreo 7y ago

Accruing positive sentiment in the dev community through acquisitions of someone else's nice things. Who came up with that crazy idea? GitHub isn't Microsoft. You can't buy brand loyalty.

kortilla 7y ago

Ah, but they can. The older folks will remember GitHub being a separate thing but as hundreds of thousands of new devs enter the ecosystem every year, they are introduced to a cool GitHub tool by Microsoft. They don’t know that it was separate nor the animosity towards MS. You can’t change people’s minds on emotional baggage like this. You just wait for them to die off/retire and target the new blood.

metreo 7y ago
Personally I've always found GitLab's design much more user friendly and the code and repository layout is much nicer than the spartan and cold GitHub. About all Microsoft has dared to change (at least transparently) since obtaining GitHub has been the pricing page, and objectively speaking right now... it's a hot confusing mess. A mascot featuring tentacles is all too fitting here. I don't know a lot about NPM or JS but it's being described as a dumpster fire which is also all too fitting. And I'm able smirk as I write that with no animosity or skin in the game.
- metreo 7y ago
  Actually they may have done updates to the fonts which overall look slightly larger in certain contexts.
DeathArrow 7y ago
>You can’t change people’s minds on emotional baggage like this. I believe you can. They changed mine.

faizmokhtar 7y ago

I think Microsoft is cool now. Certainly much better than Google.

metreo 7y ago
Actually they are probably the coolest if not cooler: https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/ https://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-... even Google doesn't get to track every file you open, which I agree is way less cool. ;)
- gh123man 7y ago
  You don't think google has telemetry on every file you open in google docs? Same problem - different ecosystem. In fact, you literally have to ask google for your file in order to view it in the first place.
  - metreo 7y ago
    Obviously yes, Google is scanning your Gmail emails and doing telemetry on every document you put into their services. That gets a decent amount of attention but it's no where near the amount of information Microsoft gets from you if you happen to be a Windows user. Google's search history on you would pale in comparison in terms of profiling, etc.
- Hawxy 7y ago
  That's a pretty awful article from the age of "putting windows 10 and spying in the title generates easy clicks". The quoted statement had nothing to do with Windows 10 and was specifically do with Microsoft's digital services like Hotmail & OneDrive, which the statement has now been updated to clarify: "Finally, we will retain, access, transfer, disclose, and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails in Outlook.com, or files in private folders on OneDrive), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to do any of the following:" Microsoft doesn't care about your local files, but you agree with the generic "to comply with laws and protect our systems" statement if you decide to use their cloud services.