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Is it corona virus, or ventilators, killing them? When you have a mortality rate of 66% to 90% for something tha isn't a hemorrhagic fever, it's the ventilator

Is it corona virus, or ventilators, killing them? When you have a mortality rate of 66% to 90% for something tha isn't a hemorrhagic fever, it's the ventilator.

javagram 7y ago
People were dying without ventilators in Wuhan and elsewhere. (E.g. all the people in NYC who are dying at home, something like 100 a day last I saw) The ventilator from what people are saying doesn’t seem to help as much as was hoped, but it’s not like hospitals are killing the patients by putting them on a vent, which is what your comment seems to imply?
ummonk 7y ago
While there is speculation that ventilators might be worsening the situation, it's ridiculous to suggest that 66-90% of people with ARDS might die, with or without a ventilator. There are other ways to die from a viral lung infection than just hemorrhagic fever.
- ummonk 7y ago
  * meant to say "might not", not "might".
DanBC 7y ago
People dying in care and nursing homes are not on ventilators. This may be a significant number of covid-19 deaths. https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/ https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-co... > Key findings: > Official data on the numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is not available in many countries > Due to differences in testing availabilities and policies, and to different approaches to recording deaths, international comparisons are difficult > Data from 3 epidemiological studies in the United States show that as many as half of people with COVID-19 infections in care homes were asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) at the time of testing > Data from 5 European countries suggest that care home residents have so far accounted for between 42% and 57% of all deaths related to COVID-19.

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Is it corona virus, or ventilators, killing them? When you have a mortality rate of 66% to 90% for something tha isn't a hemorrhagic fever, it's the ventilator

by redis_mlc 7y ago

Is it corona virus, or ventilators, killing them? When you have a mortality rate of 66% to 90% for something tha isn't a hemorrhagic fever, it's the ventilator.

javagram 7y ago
People were dying without ventilators in Wuhan and elsewhere. (E.g. all the people in NYC who are dying at home, something like 100 a day last I saw) The ventilator from what people are saying doesn’t seem to help as much as was hoped, but it’s not like hospitals are killing the patients by putting them on a vent, which is what your comment seems to imply?
ummonk 7y ago
While there is speculation that ventilators might be worsening the situation, it's ridiculous to suggest that 66-90% of people with ARDS might die, with or without a ventilator. There are other ways to die from a viral lung infection than just hemorrhagic fever.
- ummonk 7y ago
  * meant to say "might not", not "might".
DanBC 7y ago
People dying in care and nursing homes are not on ventilators. This may be a significant number of covid-19 deaths. https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/ https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-co... > Key findings: > Official data on the numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is not available in many countries > Due to differences in testing availabilities and policies, and to different approaches to recording deaths, international comparisons are difficult > Data from 3 epidemiological studies in the United States show that as many as half of people with COVID-19 infections in care homes were asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) at the time of testing > Data from 5 European countries suggest that care home residents have so far accounted for between 42% and 57% of all deaths related to COVID-19.