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I wonder if he is confusing the security of the nation with the security of the government.

dvtrn 6y ago
Of course he is, and frankly I wouldn’t put it past this or even most administrations to do the same thing. Zero accountability. It’s disgusting. Yes. Downvote this. For calling out the issue of accountability for what it is on this topic: disgusting. I dare someone to defend it convincingly. Please someone defend this.
- Threeve303 6y ago
  While I agree with you, I'll play devils advocate: The information in the documents is so bad, the damage it would cause would be worse than 9/11 itself. What other logical reason is there for keeping it secret for this long?
  - dvtrn 6y ago
    Okay, damage to whom? The American people or individuals with compromised interests? I am unconvinced it's not the latter and that's a shame akin to the reality that we have to find of squaring with that it took a comedian pleading with tears in his eyes to convince Congress to do the right thing and even authorize funds for first responder's families. Next question: More damaging than 9/11? Does that preclude the loss of life the morning of? To say nothing of the lives lost during the resulting military actions and regional fallout? Let me end this by asking this: does this of all things really need a devil's advocate? The devil seems to be doing just fine pro se.
    - spamizbad 6y ago
      This information would probably make it politically impossible to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia. That’s probably why.
      - catalogia 6y ago
        All the more reason for it to be made public. We all deserve to know the truth.
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        If peace and diplomacy are the goals, conducting it in the dark terrifies me as to what steps the interested parties aim to use in 'getting there' or the questionable trades and concessions they make outside of the spotlight. I mean let’s turn this on its head: if peace and diplomacy are the goals, what do they have to hide? That’s a pretty universal outcome that I can’t imagine many people having a problem pursuing. Can we stop treating the devil like an indigent defendant now and look this diseased horse square in the mouth? This is kabooky-simulacra-governance disguised as security policy.
        baybal2 6y ago
        Yes, you are very correct. Interested people can google "Operation CONDOR"
      - dillonmckay 6y ago
        Why does the US need to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia?
        baybal2 6y ago
        It doesn't, but if it is uncovered that it isn't, people will have to ask their politicians why they keep spending billions on Saudis is there is no terrible secret reason to do so.
        mirimir 6y ago
        The Saudis no longer control enough oil to explain it. But maybe it's all connected to Epstein, or rather to the group that he ostensibly headed. That would account for the links to both Israel and Saudi Arabia. And there's the possibly that they're blackmailing many senior politicians from the US and who knows how many other countries.[0] 0) https://medium.com/@dylanhoward/russia-israel-and-saudi-arabia-jeffrey-epstein-found-a-niche-blackmailing-american-and-other-d3499f4f60dd https://medium.com/@dylanhoward/russia-israel-and-saudi-arab...
    - baybal2 6y ago
      There happen to be one major Saudi company that happen to be a privileged accessory to their monarch... https://s.france24.com/media/display/aa00e3a4-0eb0-11e9-818f-005056bff430/w:1240/p:16x9/0201-saudibinladin-group-m.jpg https://s.france24.com/media/display/aa00e3a4-0eb0-11e9-818f... Basically yes, USA has went to absolutely unexplainable, completely bizarre extent to shield Saudis from the fallout, and even took out their biggest enemy in the region for them. A document rendering multiple US administrations complete insert expletive will be deeply detrimental to political careers of many political clans on the hill.
      - pan69 6y ago
        But that's what OP is asking/saying right? If the information was made public it would mean that heads would role (proably even prosecutions) but the nation would be just fine (other than that lots of people might have to get to terms that their government has been lying to them for decades).
        dvtrn 6y ago
        I read their response as more of a "yes, and" versus a "no but".
  - fiblye 6y ago
    If there’s any damaging or damning info, the people should hear it and decide how to respond. If the truth has been told to us already, then nothing could be that much more damaging. If we were deceived from the beginning, then that has already resulted in massive amounts of damage. The only people who would lose are those within political organizations.

Of course he is, and frankly I wouldn’t put it past this or even most administrations to do the same thing. Zero accountability. It’s disgusting. Yes. Downvote this. For calling out the issue of accountability for what it is on this topic: disgusting. I dare someone to defend it convincingly. Please someone defend this.

Threeve303 6y ago
While I agree with you, I'll play devils advocate: The information in the documents is so bad, the damage it would cause would be worse than 9/11 itself. What other logical reason is there for keeping it secret for this long?
- dvtrn 6y ago
  Okay, damage to whom? The American people or individuals with compromised interests? I am unconvinced it's not the latter and that's a shame akin to the reality that we have to find of squaring with that it took a comedian pleading with tears in his eyes to convince Congress to do the right thing and even authorize funds for first responder's families. Next question: More damaging than 9/11? Does that preclude the loss of life the morning of? To say nothing of the lives lost during the resulting military actions and regional fallout? Let me end this by asking this: does this of all things really need a devil's advocate? The devil seems to be doing just fine pro se.
  - spamizbad 6y ago
    This information would probably make it politically impossible to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia. That’s probably why.
    - catalogia 6y ago
      All the more reason for it to be made public. We all deserve to know the truth.
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      If peace and diplomacy are the goals, conducting it in the dark terrifies me as to what steps the interested parties aim to use in 'getting there' or the questionable trades and concessions they make outside of the spotlight. I mean let’s turn this on its head: if peace and diplomacy are the goals, what do they have to hide? That’s a pretty universal outcome that I can’t imagine many people having a problem pursuing. Can we stop treating the devil like an indigent defendant now and look this diseased horse square in the mouth? This is kabooky-simulacra-governance disguised as security policy.
      - baybal2 6y ago
        Yes, you are very correct. Interested people can google "Operation CONDOR"
    - dillonmckay 6y ago
      Why does the US need to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia?
      - baybal2 6y ago
        It doesn't, but if it is uncovered that it isn't, people will have to ask their politicians why they keep spending billions on Saudis is there is no terrible secret reason to do so.
      - mirimir 6y ago
        The Saudis no longer control enough oil to explain it. But maybe it's all connected to Epstein, or rather to the group that he ostensibly headed. That would account for the links to both Israel and Saudi Arabia. And there's the possibly that they're blackmailing many senior politicians from the US and who knows how many other countries.[0] 0) https://medium.com/@dylanhoward/russia-israel-and-saudi-arabia-jeffrey-epstein-found-a-niche-blackmailing-american-and-other-d3499f4f60dd https://medium.com/@dylanhoward/russia-israel-and-saudi-arab...
  - baybal2 6y ago
    There happen to be one major Saudi company that happen to be a privileged accessory to their monarch... https://s.france24.com/media/display/aa00e3a4-0eb0-11e9-818f-005056bff430/w:1240/p:16x9/0201-saudibinladin-group-m.jpg https://s.france24.com/media/display/aa00e3a4-0eb0-11e9-818f... Basically yes, USA has went to absolutely unexplainable, completely bizarre extent to shield Saudis from the fallout, and even took out their biggest enemy in the region for them. A document rendering multiple US administrations complete insert expletive will be deeply detrimental to political careers of many political clans on the hill.
    - pan69 6y ago
      But that's what OP is asking/saying right? If the information was made public it would mean that heads would role (proably even prosecutions) but the nation would be just fine (other than that lots of people might have to get to terms that their government has been lying to them for decades).
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        I read their response as more of a "yes, and" versus a "no but".
- fiblye 6y ago
  If there’s any damaging or damning info, the people should hear it and decide how to respond. If the truth has been told to us already, then nothing could be that much more damaging. If we were deceived from the beginning, then that has already resulted in massive amounts of damage. The only people who would lose are those within political organizations.