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Let's see what happens when FAANG pull the plug in France. I can guarantee you the public will remove whoever was in power and it would be back to the status qu

Let's see what happens when FAANG pull the plug in France. I can guarantee you the public will remove whoever was in power and it would be back to the status quo.

heavenlyblue 7y ago
It doesn’t seem to me FAANG want to see what happens if they do that.
ineedasername 7y ago
I think what you'd see is a fair number of members in the EU block take similar action, daring Amazon to do the same to them. The truth is, Amazon couldn't, in the long term, afford that: Oh sure, they could stand to lose the revenue by itself, but that's just a first-order effect. A second order effect would be the rise of a regional competitor to fill the vacuum. Then Amazon, even if they played nice, would have a hard time pushing back in to those markets, at the same time the regional competitor would, if wise, get on good terms with the EU regulatory regime and thereby give it some preferential treatment when trying to get into markets that Amazon had not vacated. A regional competitor could easily hit a tipping point and become an international one.
- bradknowles 7y ago
  That’s why Amazon does it just for a few days. Long enough for the government and the people to feel the shock, but not long enough for a serious competitor to take advantage of.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  >A second order effect would be the rise of a regional competitor to fill the vacuum. No, it wouldn't. Amazon in the US is amazing compared to what Amazon is in Europe. Packages take a lot longer to arrive and the choice is much worse. There isn't even a central Amazon EU website! Yet no competitors exist. Absolutely nothing is even close to Amazon. For whatever reason, the EU market is incredibly behind in these kinds of services.
  - starfallg 7y ago
    I'm not sure you are as familiar with the online marketplaces in Europe as you claim to be. Amazon set up separate national operations in the EU due to social, regulatory and tax reasons. Also digital e-commerce retailers are prevalent in all EU countries. Amazon is only one of many players. In fact, logistics over here is much better developed than the US. Most items can be next day delivered here in the UK for a low standard charge. Amazon has to offer same-day deliveries to the UK at a much higher level than the US in order to compete and maintain its competitive advantage.
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      >Most items can be next day delivered here in the UK for a low standard charge. Cool. What about the rest of Europe/the EU? I am in an EU country and ordering anything from any of the Amazons has a minimum delivery time of 1 week. Usually it's longer than that. >Also digital e-commerce retailers are prevalent in all EU countries. And they are not trustworthy. Those online retailers always have everything in stock, but after you order and pay money it always turns out that they will have to order it from somewhere else. Often that other place has no stock either. It took me almost a month to get a new HDD last year because of shenanigans like this. >Amazon set up separate national operations in the EU due to social, regulatory and tax reasons. This is true if you live in one of the five odd countries that have an Amazon site. The 20 other EU countries don't get this luxury.
      - starfallg 7y ago
        What are you actually arguing about? Because in your original post you seem to be arguing that Amazon here in Europe is heads and shoulders above the competition while still being inferior to the US, implying that the e-commerce landscape here is dire. My comment disagrees with that. To me, it's the other way around, Amazon has to do more than what they do in the US to compete over here. So when I'm talking about getting relatively cheap next day delivery here, I'm talking about with any merchant, not just Amazon. That's why they have to offer more same-day delivery (than the US) to compete (and to justify the Prime subscription).
Mulpze15 7y ago
I would take the other side of your bet in a heartbeat. There is no love for FAANG in France, especially when they are paying fewer taxes than local businesses. The respectful admiration that people have in the US for big businesses and successful entrepreneurs doe not exist in France. Instead, there is the same feeling for the rebellious, for the one the fighting against big businesses, for the people.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  People love 2 day delivery and easy returns. I'd like to see a company in France do this in a short time. Not with the 9 to 4 working hours France wants.

Let's see what happens when FAANG pull the plug in France. I can guarantee you the public will remove whoever was in power and it would be back to the status quo.

heavenlyblue 7y ago

It doesn’t seem to me FAANG want to see what happens if they do that.

ineedasername 7y ago

I think what you'd see is a fair number of members in the EU block take similar action, daring Amazon to do the same to them. The truth is, Amazon couldn't, in the long term, afford that: Oh sure, they could stand to lose the revenue by itself, but that's just a first-order effect. A second order effect would be the rise of a regional competitor to fill the vacuum. Then Amazon, even if they played nice, would have a hard time pushing back in to those markets, at the same time the regional competitor would, if wise, get on good terms with the EU regulatory regime and thereby give it some preferential treatment when trying to get into markets that Amazon had not vacated. A regional competitor could easily hit a tipping point and become an international one.

bradknowles 7y ago
That’s why Amazon does it just for a few days. Long enough for the government and the people to feel the shock, but not long enough for a serious competitor to take advantage of.
Mirioron 7y ago
>A second order effect would be the rise of a regional competitor to fill the vacuum. No, it wouldn't. Amazon in the US is amazing compared to what Amazon is in Europe. Packages take a lot longer to arrive and the choice is much worse. There isn't even a central Amazon EU website! Yet no competitors exist. Absolutely nothing is even close to Amazon. For whatever reason, the EU market is incredibly behind in these kinds of services.
- starfallg 7y ago
  I'm not sure you are as familiar with the online marketplaces in Europe as you claim to be. Amazon set up separate national operations in the EU due to social, regulatory and tax reasons. Also digital e-commerce retailers are prevalent in all EU countries. Amazon is only one of many players. In fact, logistics over here is much better developed than the US. Most items can be next day delivered here in the UK for a low standard charge. Amazon has to offer same-day deliveries to the UK at a much higher level than the US in order to compete and maintain its competitive advantage.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    >Most items can be next day delivered here in the UK for a low standard charge. Cool. What about the rest of Europe/the EU? I am in an EU country and ordering anything from any of the Amazons has a minimum delivery time of 1 week. Usually it's longer than that. >Also digital e-commerce retailers are prevalent in all EU countries. And they are not trustworthy. Those online retailers always have everything in stock, but after you order and pay money it always turns out that they will have to order it from somewhere else. Often that other place has no stock either. It took me almost a month to get a new HDD last year because of shenanigans like this. >Amazon set up separate national operations in the EU due to social, regulatory and tax reasons. This is true if you live in one of the five odd countries that have an Amazon site. The 20 other EU countries don't get this luxury.
    - starfallg 7y ago
      What are you actually arguing about? Because in your original post you seem to be arguing that Amazon here in Europe is heads and shoulders above the competition while still being inferior to the US, implying that the e-commerce landscape here is dire. My comment disagrees with that. To me, it's the other way around, Amazon has to do more than what they do in the US to compete over here. So when I'm talking about getting relatively cheap next day delivery here, I'm talking about with any merchant, not just Amazon. That's why they have to offer more same-day delivery (than the US) to compete (and to justify the Prime subscription).

Mulpze15 7y ago

I would take the other side of your bet in a heartbeat. There is no love for FAANG in France, especially when they are paying fewer taxes than local businesses. The respectful admiration that people have in the US for big businesses and successful entrepreneurs doe not exist in France. Instead, there is the same feeling for the rebellious, for the one the fighting against big businesses, for the people.

mav3rick 7y ago
People love 2 day delivery and easy returns. I'd like to see a company in France do this in a short time. Not with the 9 to 4 working hours France wants.