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lpah4all 6y ago
That's the spirit! Really, I'd like to start with a non-evil, non-narcissist, non-mobbed-up, non-demented, non-corrupt President. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which countries my comment applies to. The better question is probably which it doesn't. It sure seems like New Zealand and Finland are leading the way in that department, their both having relatively young women as their leaders is certainly no coincidence.
- artificial 6y ago
  Non corrupt leadership? Impossible.
- rapind 6y ago
  So many questions... Are young women better leaders than old women? Than young men? Old men? Is it truly causation? What prompted you to make this association? Any other countries make the list that don't have young women leaders? Gender and age probably do matter in lots of things. Usually when I hear it brought up, it's either to grind an axe, an act of defense, or a hidden agenda. Almost universally lacking objective truth seeking. I also dislike the current US president, but IMO calling him out and then promoting the idea that young women are best just polarizes people... In fact if I was a Trump 50-center that's exactly what I would do to try and alienate as many people as I could under the guise of a "lefty socialist".
  - lpah4all 6y ago
    Male leaders have been acting like complete bastards since time immemorial. I'd say we have a very, very small sample size of female leaders to judge from, so why not promote some ladies to give it a try? They can't be worse than the men. As to age, off the top of my head, I'd say that how much time they have already spent within the system would keep them from thinking about fundamental change. I'd cite Merkel having been a PhD Chemist in her previous life for her success by giving her an analytical approach instead of a purely political approach. And let's not also discount that women the world over are oft treated very badly by their society's patriarchy. Oppressed people can be some of the best leaders because of their vehement opposition to brutalities of every kind. Think Nelson Mandela. Really what we need, regardless, are true public servants and not someone beholden to just one team. I don't care what gender they are or identify with or that of their BFF(s). They just need to have integrity and care and concern for our most vulnerable residents. Perhaps women are better suited to such service; perhaps not. All I know is that at this point I'm willing to give it a try, especially with such brilliantly impressive thinkers such as AOC. I was sad that Elizabeth Warren was eliminated from contention. She was -- by far -- the most intelligent and competant candidate, imo.
    - eggsmediumrare 6y ago
      Agreed on Warren, and I'd love to see President AOC someday. The only reason male leaders have been bastards since time immemorial is because, as you rightly point out, they were mostly men. Most good leaders have also been men. I agree women should be given fair opportunity at leadership though.
    - petra 6y ago
      I wonder: Sure, the sample size on female leaders is very small. But what about the sample size of female bosses ? Are female bosses significantly better than male bosses ?
      - eternalscreams 6y ago
        I'm surprised that you think that being in middle or upper management is the same as running a business. Do you have anything to support that equivalence?
        jshevek 6y ago
        >you think that being in middle or upper management is the same as running a business The parent comment made no such assertion.
        eternalscreams 6y ago
        My brain farted, I meant 'country' not 'business'. Ugh.
- kleer001 6y ago
  I think this video from CGP Grey outlines some of the problems inherent in leading a state. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs And then this essay details some game theory level issues of group dynamics in an iterative world: https://www.wired.com/2004/10/new-tack-wins-prisoners-dilemma/ https://www.wired.com/2004/10/new-tack-wins-prisoners-dilemm... In the end I think the best we can reasonable wish for, anywhere, is non-demented. Everything else is up to entropy, the whims of organized crime, and the pressures of evolution and information.
- jariel 6y ago
  The Finnish PM's party got 18% of the vote in the last election. She didn't stand for election, she was appointed and her party has 13% popularity right now. So literally 13% popularity (party) and unelected. She had 3 years of experience in federal politics before being promoted (not elected) leader of a nation. She also has a gushing Goop-like Instagram full of gorgeous pictures of her and her boy at exotic destinations, 'thinspo' shots, glam shots. She doesn't have any intellectual, academic, or otherwise rigorous credentials. She's also easily the most attractive person in Finnish politics. So the real question is - how do intelligent people interpret those who are utterly unqualified and illegitimate in almost every way, who are obviously popular at least due to their visual social media profile and nothing more ... to be 'leaders of integrity, capability, and virtue'? And of course, arbitrarily picking two leaders from some group (ie female) as somehow evidence of something? This the exactly the same thing as Trump, just the other side of the coin. It's anti-intellectual & I don't think we want this in politics or real political discussion. There might be some interesting 'gender' argument somewhere there, but this is not it.
  - thimkerbell 6y ago
    Are they better at knowing who to listen to? Better at requiring their people to narrow their lives, when that is what's called for? I'd guess that women leaders would not be Churchills, when a fascist's military is attacking their country. Could be wrong though.
- cttet 6y ago
  This is gender stereotyping, not far off from the Google memo.
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That's the spirit! Really, I'd like to start with a non-evil, non-narcissist, non-mobbed-up, non-demented, non-corrupt President. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which countries my comment applies to. The better question is probably which it doesn't. It sure seems like New Zealand and Finland are leading the way in that department, their both having relatively young women as their leaders is certainly no coincidence.

artificial 6y ago
Non corrupt leadership? Impossible.
rapind 6y ago
So many questions... Are young women better leaders than old women? Than young men? Old men? Is it truly causation? What prompted you to make this association? Any other countries make the list that don't have young women leaders? Gender and age probably do matter in lots of things. Usually when I hear it brought up, it's either to grind an axe, an act of defense, or a hidden agenda. Almost universally lacking objective truth seeking. I also dislike the current US president, but IMO calling him out and then promoting the idea that young women are best just polarizes people... In fact if I was a Trump 50-center that's exactly what I would do to try and alienate as many people as I could under the guise of a "lefty socialist".
- lpah4all 6y ago
  Male leaders have been acting like complete bastards since time immemorial. I'd say we have a very, very small sample size of female leaders to judge from, so why not promote some ladies to give it a try? They can't be worse than the men. As to age, off the top of my head, I'd say that how much time they have already spent within the system would keep them from thinking about fundamental change. I'd cite Merkel having been a PhD Chemist in her previous life for her success by giving her an analytical approach instead of a purely political approach. And let's not also discount that women the world over are oft treated very badly by their society's patriarchy. Oppressed people can be some of the best leaders because of their vehement opposition to brutalities of every kind. Think Nelson Mandela. Really what we need, regardless, are true public servants and not someone beholden to just one team. I don't care what gender they are or identify with or that of their BFF(s). They just need to have integrity and care and concern for our most vulnerable residents. Perhaps women are better suited to such service; perhaps not. All I know is that at this point I'm willing to give it a try, especially with such brilliantly impressive thinkers such as AOC. I was sad that Elizabeth Warren was eliminated from contention. She was -- by far -- the most intelligent and competant candidate, imo.
  - eggsmediumrare 6y ago
    Agreed on Warren, and I'd love to see President AOC someday. The only reason male leaders have been bastards since time immemorial is because, as you rightly point out, they were mostly men. Most good leaders have also been men. I agree women should be given fair opportunity at leadership though.
  - petra 6y ago
    I wonder: Sure, the sample size on female leaders is very small. But what about the sample size of female bosses ? Are female bosses significantly better than male bosses ?
    - eternalscreams 6y ago
      I'm surprised that you think that being in middle or upper management is the same as running a business. Do you have anything to support that equivalence?
      - jshevek 6y ago
        >you think that being in middle or upper management is the same as running a business The parent comment made no such assertion.
        eternalscreams 6y ago
        My brain farted, I meant 'country' not 'business'. Ugh.
kleer001 6y ago
I think this video from CGP Grey outlines some of the problems inherent in leading a state. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs And then this essay details some game theory level issues of group dynamics in an iterative world: https://www.wired.com/2004/10/new-tack-wins-prisoners-dilemma/ https://www.wired.com/2004/10/new-tack-wins-prisoners-dilemm... In the end I think the best we can reasonable wish for, anywhere, is non-demented. Everything else is up to entropy, the whims of organized crime, and the pressures of evolution and information.
jariel 6y ago
The Finnish PM's party got 18% of the vote in the last election. She didn't stand for election, she was appointed and her party has 13% popularity right now. So literally 13% popularity (party) and unelected. She had 3 years of experience in federal politics before being promoted (not elected) leader of a nation. She also has a gushing Goop-like Instagram full of gorgeous pictures of her and her boy at exotic destinations, 'thinspo' shots, glam shots. She doesn't have any intellectual, academic, or otherwise rigorous credentials. She's also easily the most attractive person in Finnish politics. So the real question is - how do intelligent people interpret those who are utterly unqualified and illegitimate in almost every way, who are obviously popular at least due to their visual social media profile and nothing more ... to be 'leaders of integrity, capability, and virtue'? And of course, arbitrarily picking two leaders from some group (ie female) as somehow evidence of something? This the exactly the same thing as Trump, just the other side of the coin. It's anti-intellectual & I don't think we want this in politics or real political discussion. There might be some interesting 'gender' argument somewhere there, but this is not it.
- thimkerbell 6y ago
  Are they better at knowing who to listen to? Better at requiring their people to narrow their lives, when that is what's called for? I'd guess that women leaders would not be Churchills, when a fascist's military is attacking their country. Could be wrong though.
cttet 6y ago
This is gender stereotyping, not far off from the Google memo.

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