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> The first iPhone SE was a hit with many customers who loved its unique combination of small size, high-end performance and affordable price; the new second-ge

by Nition 7y ago

> The first iPhone SE was a hit with many customers who loved its unique combination of small size, high-end performance and affordable price; the new second-generation iPhone SE builds on that great idea and improves on it in every way. Customers loved how it was both small and powerful, so we've improved it by making it much larger...[1] OK, I realise they mean "small compared to the ridiculous size of other phones" here, but I still feel like they've missed the point. They could have had the only truly small and powerful phone on the market in 2020, on any OS! No competitors. They could have even kept the exact same old SE size and had an even bigger screen (5") if they went edge-to-edge. [1] https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen&device3=iphoneX https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...

foundry27 7y ago
They just don’t get it. This isn’t a replacement for the SE, because it doesn’t actually improve on the things SE owners cared about improving. Things like an edge-to-edge screen and a kick-ass camera in the same form factor, not an iPhone 7 reboot with wireless charging and a faster CPU. What’s more, I know I’m not alone in saying I’d be willing to pay MORE for an ultra-premium small device like that than for any of the iPhone models being pushed as “top of the line” right now, because there are no good alternatives. Unfortunate letdown by the individuals at Apple who put this together, reminds me of the ‘97 Malibu.
- Nition 7y ago
  Totally agree. I'll be keeping my 4" SE for a while yet.
- ehsankia 7y ago
  Maybe us consumers underestimate how much space those internals take? The larger screen to body ratio would not only take more space in an already tiny phone, but the battery needed to power that would also need to be larger. The old SE had a 1600mAH battery... which is half of the 3000mAh+ even smaller phones have these days, and none of those lasts more than one full day. So we somehow expect them to take the exact same form factor and somehow magically get a 10% larger screen and 50% larger battery in there? My guess is that it's just not physically possible to achieve that. Big chin and forehead is the best we can get with the current battery technology for a phone that size.
  - Nition 7y ago
    They could always make it X% thicker. We used to fit 15mm thick phones in our pockets with no trouble in the old days. Not to say you're not making a fair point. Although if it came down to it, I'd still much rather have the old size even if it still had a 4" non-edge-to-edge screen.

by Nition 7y ago

foundry27 7y ago

They just don’t get it. This isn’t a replacement for the SE, because it doesn’t actually improve on the things SE owners cared about improving. Things like an edge-to-edge screen and a kick-ass camera in the same form factor, not an iPhone 7 reboot with wireless charging and a faster CPU. What’s more, I know I’m not alone in saying I’d be willing to pay MORE for an ultra-premium small device like that than for any of the iPhone models being pushed as “top of the line” right now, because there are no good alternatives. Unfortunate letdown by the individuals at Apple who put this together, reminds me of the ‘97 Malibu.

Nition 7y ago
Totally agree. I'll be keeping my 4" SE for a while yet.
ehsankia 7y ago
Maybe us consumers underestimate how much space those internals take? The larger screen to body ratio would not only take more space in an already tiny phone, but the battery needed to power that would also need to be larger. The old SE had a 1600mAH battery... which is half of the 3000mAh+ even smaller phones have these days, and none of those lasts more than one full day. So we somehow expect them to take the exact same form factor and somehow magically get a 10% larger screen and 50% larger battery in there? My guess is that it's just not physically possible to achieve that. Big chin and forehead is the best we can get with the current battery technology for a phone that size.
- Nition 7y ago
  They could always make it X% thicker. We used to fit 15mm thick phones in our pockets with no trouble in the old days. Not to say you're not making a fair point. Although if it came down to it, I'd still much rather have the old size even if it still had a 4" non-edge-to-edge screen.