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I used GitLab for years. That changed a few months ago. I deleted my account and now use GitHub. I advocate everywhere I can to choose GitHub over GitLab, or

I used GitLab for years. That changed a few months ago. I deleted my account and now use GitHub. I advocate everywhere I can to choose GitHub over GitLab, or to migrate away from GitLab if it's already in use. These changes just make me more convinced that GitLab is on a path to oblivion. I put up with GitLab's slow interface, relatively poor UX, and relative lack of community because I wanted a trustworthy product that respected the privacy and security of my critical tooling and to support a company with a benign business model. After the tracking debacle a few months ago, it became clear to me that GitLab isn't trustworthy. They're looking for an acquisition, maybe an IPO, and exploiting users (and even on-prem customers!) is clearly going to be part of that game plan. So why stick with the crappier alternative? If I'm getting sold out either way, I might as well use the superior product. Maybe I could be convinced to switch back, though. @sytse did you fire Paul Machle yet? If not, then obviously Paul was merely taking the heat for doing what you want, and there is just no way I can ever trust GitLab. EDIT: Nope, looks like that goober is still the CFO: https://gitlab.com/pmachle https://gitlab.com/pmachle . Oh well, bye bye GitLab! I hope you die and make some more room for SourceHut. :)

pdubs1 7y ago
>They're looking for an acquisition, maybe an IPO, and exploiting users (and even on-prem customers!) is clearly going to be part of that game plan. Could you elaborate? In what way are you aware that Gitlab is: - seeking acquisition (makes sense that they would, I am just seeking some evidence to confirm the suspicion). To be fair, a large part of why I use GitLab is because it is not owned by Microsoft. Hence I am interested in whether or not GitLab will stay independent or "sell out". Certainly I'd lean on the latter, but again, seeking evidence of any planning on their part to seek acquisition. - exploiting users (or how it would be part of the "game plan" -- I can see exploiting user data they've gathered while users use their free service... but that's capitalism. Is there any other way they currently or might in the future exploit users?)
- kyboren 7y ago
  I have no hard evidence that they are actually actively seeking a buyout/IPO, but they did complete a Series E last year[0] led by Goldman Sachs and IONIQ Capital. Presumably their numerous investors will be looking for a solid return, either through an acquisition or IPO. WRT how they might exploit users, it's not really so much that there are specific ways I worry they will exploit users--well, I guess I am specifically worried they will once again hold private repos for ransom until you agree to some abusive new terms. It's perhaps best summarized with an infamous quote about user tracking from GitLab CFO Paul Machle: > I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or an opt out. It is a condition of using our product. There is an acceptance of terms and the use of this data should be included in that. In other words, "Fuck the users, it's our product. Hold their repos for ransom until they agree." Which they in fact did for a short time until the PR blowback became unbearable. This was supposed to apply to self-hosted GitLab EE, too, BTW. The fact that Paul survived that very public middle finger to users and the security of the product and remains CFO shows that Sytse agrees with his philosophy, even if he isn't as brazen about it. The kind of money Sytse presumably has made and especially stands to make in a successful exit tends to have a peculiar effect on people, so perhaps it's not surprising... If you continue to use GitLab, be prepared: Make sure you have a replica of all the content (including issues etc.) you might need in the future. You just don't know how or when they're going to screw you over next, but you can be sure it'll happen. [0]: https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/gitlab-com-series-e--da5548fa https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/gitlab-com-series-e...
  - pdubs1 7y ago
    Good to know. Thanks for sharing. Well, this definitely makes me think that it's best if I self-host my git repos starting at some point in the near future.

pdubs1 7y ago

>They're looking for an acquisition, maybe an IPO, and exploiting users (and even on-prem customers!) is clearly going to be part of that game plan. Could you elaborate? In what way are you aware that Gitlab is: - seeking acquisition (makes sense that they would, I am just seeking some evidence to confirm the suspicion). To be fair, a large part of why I use GitLab is because it is not owned by Microsoft. Hence I am interested in whether or not GitLab will stay independent or "sell out". Certainly I'd lean on the latter, but again, seeking evidence of any planning on their part to seek acquisition. - exploiting users (or how it would be part of the "game plan" -- I can see exploiting user data they've gathered while users use their free service... but that's capitalism. Is there any other way they currently or might in the future exploit users?)

kyboren 7y ago
I have no hard evidence that they are actually actively seeking a buyout/IPO, but they did complete a Series E last year[0] led by Goldman Sachs and IONIQ Capital. Presumably their numerous investors will be looking for a solid return, either through an acquisition or IPO. WRT how they might exploit users, it's not really so much that there are specific ways I worry they will exploit users--well, I guess I am specifically worried they will once again hold private repos for ransom until you agree to some abusive new terms. It's perhaps best summarized with an infamous quote about user tracking from GitLab CFO Paul Machle: > I don’t understand. This should not be an opt in or an opt out. It is a condition of using our product. There is an acceptance of terms and the use of this data should be included in that. In other words, "Fuck the users, it's our product. Hold their repos for ransom until they agree." Which they in fact did for a short time until the PR blowback became unbearable. This was supposed to apply to self-hosted GitLab EE, too, BTW. The fact that Paul survived that very public middle finger to users and the security of the product and remains CFO shows that Sytse agrees with his philosophy, even if he isn't as brazen about it. The kind of money Sytse presumably has made and especially stands to make in a successful exit tends to have a peculiar effect on people, so perhaps it's not surprising... If you continue to use GitLab, be prepared: Make sure you have a replica of all the content (including issues etc.) you might need in the future. You just don't know how or when they're going to screw you over next, but you can be sure it'll happen. [0]: https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/gitlab-com-series-e--da5548fa https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/gitlab-com-series-e...
- pdubs1 7y ago
  Good to know. Thanks for sharing. Well, this definitely makes me think that it's best if I self-host my git repos starting at some point in the near future.