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Is there a source for this claim?

by beaner 7y ago

DangerousPie 7y ago
There were lots of newspaper articles a few weeks ago about lupus patients struggling to access HCQ. Eg: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-lupus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-hydro... or https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/13/how-false-hope-spread-about-hydroxychloroquine-its-consequences/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/13/how-false...
eesmith 7y ago
Wikipedia links to two WaPo articles at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#Regulatory_approval https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#Regulatory_... Guardian article - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/vital-drug-people-lupus-coronavirus-covid-19-link-hydroxychloroquine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/vital-drug-peo... . It cites someone from Lupus UK. Their page at http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/uk-azathioprine-supply/ http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/uk-azathioprine-supply/ says "we have received reports from a number of people with lupus who have been unable to fulfil their prescription of azathioprine" and that "stocks are in the process of being replenished and should be available in the UK in mid-April". Comment from an HN'er: "For several weeks my mother hasn't been able to fill her regular prescription for hydroxychloroquine that has been an important part of managing her lupus for >30 years." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22793293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22793293
- beaner 7y ago
  Is this shortage universal? Have there been shortages before, either universal or local? Is there evidence that this particular local shortage is due specifically to coronavirus demand? It may be that the answer to these questions is "yes," but that answer seems to be being assumed right now.
  - eesmith 7y ago
    I believe my citations answer your questions sufficiently. Since the questions #1 and #2 can be answered both "yes" and "no", with equal merit, I suggest that perhaps they are not useful questions. That is, not every pharmacy in every country is out, and sometimes a pharmacy is out of a medicine. If that's what you mean by "universal" and "local shortage before" then you're being absurd. Bear in mind that I was answering beaner's question, not making some broader statement.
    - beaner 7y ago
      I think characterizing my questions as absurd is itself revealing of a bias. There is no judgment in my questions, I'm just trying to get at the answers.
      - eesmith 7y ago
        I did not characterize your questions as absurd. I pointed out that your first two questions can be answered both "yes" and "no" with equal validity, and presented the absurd case to demonstrate why. Did you really mean "universal" to mean every pharmacy in the world, and did you really mean "Have there been shortages" to include a single pharmacy somewhere running out? No. But how am I supposed to know what you do mean? Your questions did not seem informed by the information in the links I presented, which suggests a different sort of bias.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    This is perhaps anecdotal, but one of the articles I saw, said that a person who was denied their medication was specifically told it was because it was being reserved for COVID-19 victims. So while you could doubt such a story for other reasons, the causal linkage is being made explicitly in at least some instances.

Is there a source for this claim?

by beaner 7y ago

Is there a source for this claim?

There were lots of newspaper articles a few weeks ago about lupus patients struggling to access HCQ. Eg: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-lupus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-hydro... or https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/13/how-false-hope-spread-about-hydroxychloroquine-its-consequences/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/13/how-false...

eesmith 7y ago

Wikipedia links to two WaPo articles at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#Regulatory_approval https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#Regulatory_... Guardian article - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/vital-drug-people-lupus-coronavirus-covid-19-link-hydroxychloroquine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/vital-drug-peo... . It cites someone from Lupus UK. Their page at http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/uk-azathioprine-supply/ http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/uk-azathioprine-supply/ says "we have received reports from a number of people with lupus who have been unable to fulfil their prescription of azathioprine" and that "stocks are in the process of being replenished and should be available in the UK in mid-April". Comment from an HN'er: "For several weeks my mother hasn't been able to fill her regular prescription for hydroxychloroquine that has been an important part of managing her lupus for >30 years." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22793293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22793293

beaner 7y ago
Is this shortage universal? Have there been shortages before, either universal or local? Is there evidence that this particular local shortage is due specifically to coronavirus demand? It may be that the answer to these questions is "yes," but that answer seems to be being assumed right now.
- eesmith 7y ago
  I believe my citations answer your questions sufficiently. Since the questions #1 and #2 can be answered both "yes" and "no", with equal merit, I suggest that perhaps they are not useful questions. That is, not every pharmacy in every country is out, and sometimes a pharmacy is out of a medicine. If that's what you mean by "universal" and "local shortage before" then you're being absurd. Bear in mind that I was answering beaner's question, not making some broader statement.
  - beaner 7y ago
    I think characterizing my questions as absurd is itself revealing of a bias. There is no judgment in my questions, I'm just trying to get at the answers.
    - eesmith 7y ago
      I did not characterize your questions as absurd. I pointed out that your first two questions can be answered both "yes" and "no" with equal validity, and presented the absurd case to demonstrate why. Did you really mean "universal" to mean every pharmacy in the world, and did you really mean "Have there been shortages" to include a single pharmacy somewhere running out? No. But how am I supposed to know what you do mean? Your questions did not seem informed by the information in the links I presented, which suggests a different sort of bias.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  This is perhaps anecdotal, but one of the articles I saw, said that a person who was denied their medication was specifically told it was because it was being reserved for COVID-19 victims. So while you could doubt such a story for other reasons, the causal linkage is being made explicitly in at least some instances.