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Imagine if Obama had "endorsed" Biden using the same language. Would you have considered it an endorsement? I find the interpretation of what he said to be very

by jsight 6y ago

Imagine if Obama had "endorsed" Biden using the same language. Would you have considered it an endorsement? I find the interpretation of what he said to be very peculiar.

mcguire 6y ago
I'm not at all sure I would like millions of doses of Joe Biden to be placed in the federal stockpile of emergency medical supplies, even if those doses were for the sole use of the federal government. It sounds kind of expensive and I don't think anyone knows what the effect of Joe on the coronavirus actually is.
- jsight 6y ago
  They will do that with vaccines before they are approved as well as a preparatory step. They likely will do it with more than one vaccine formulation, even if only one is ultimately approved. Stockpiling isn't an endorsement.
CydeWeys 6y ago
What is the comparison being made here? Endorsing the frontrunner for political candidacy isn't remotely the same as endorsing an unproven drug to treat an ongoing pandemic.
- jsight 6y ago
  Noone endorsed an unproven drug.
  - ModernMech 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241367239900778501 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12413672399007785... HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents).........be put in use IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE DYING, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_FDA @SteveFDA @CDCgov @DHSgov That's not an endorsement?
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    - munk-a 6y ago
      For a comparison (to the original point made above): Joe Biden has a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of this country. The Democratic party has moved mountains in their support of them - Thank You! Hopefully he will take office IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE LOSING FAITH, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_DNC @JoeBidenPrez @POTUS @IowaElections
vernie 6y ago
"But I think people should — if it were me — in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it. Okay? I may take it."
- jsight 6y ago
  Biden "may work, then again, [...] may not work." - Is that an endorsement?
  - scythe 6y ago
    You're omitting the base rate. The base rate probability for an arbitrary drug to treat a disease with no treatments is probably extremely low, < 1%. There are thousands of drugs; at most a few treat COVID-19. Suggesting that any single drug has a significant chance of a positive effect puts it well ahead of the pack. By contrast, the base rate for a former Senator doing an okay job with the Presidency is probably in the range 20-80%. Suggesting that Biden would do as well as any other former Senator (may or may not) is not an endorsement, but suggesting he would do much better than the base rate is definitely an endorsement.
  - josefresco 6y ago
    "What do you have to lose? Take it," "I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try." "one of the biggest game-changers in the history of medicine" "I want people to live and I’m seeing people dying and I’m seeing people who will die without it," These statements are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to endorsements by Trump.
  - vernie 6y ago
    Biden has "a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine". Damn, I had better vote for that guy!
jjoonathan 6y ago
My mother, a pharmacist by training, has repeatedly communicated her impression that "this whole coronavirus thing would be gone in a week if we just gave everyone HCQ!" She got that impression from somewhere, but certainly not from any of the studies I've read, leaving the conservative news sphere as the likely source. Whoever is making the exaggerations, they're egregious.
- tim333 6y ago
  There's this kind of thing https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/breaking-controlled-clinical-study-conducted-doctors-%e2%80%8bin-france-shows-hydroxychloroquine-cures-100-coronavirus-patients-within-6-days-treatment-covidtrial-io/ https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/breaking-controlled-clin... which may have influenced her and the POTUS

by jsight 6y ago

Imagine if Obama had "endorsed" Biden using the same language. Would you have considered it an endorsement? I find the interpretation of what he said to be very peculiar.

mcguire 6y ago

I'm not at all sure I would like millions of doses of Joe Biden to be placed in the federal stockpile of emergency medical supplies, even if those doses were for the sole use of the federal government. It sounds kind of expensive and I don't think anyone knows what the effect of Joe on the coronavirus actually is.

jsight 6y ago
They will do that with vaccines before they are approved as well as a preparatory step. They likely will do it with more than one vaccine formulation, even if only one is ultimately approved. Stockpiling isn't an endorsement.

CydeWeys 6y ago

What is the comparison being made here? Endorsing the frontrunner for political candidacy isn't remotely the same as endorsing an unproven drug to treat an ongoing pandemic.

jsight 6y ago
Noone endorsed an unproven drug.
- ModernMech 6y ago
  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241367239900778501 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12413672399007785... HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents).........be put in use IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE DYING, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_FDA @SteveFDA @CDCgov @DHSgov That's not an endorsement?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - munk-a 6y ago
    For a comparison (to the original point made above): Joe Biden has a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of this country. The Democratic party has moved mountains in their support of them - Thank You! Hopefully he will take office IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE ARE LOSING FAITH, MOVE FAST, and GOD BLESS EVERYONE! @US_DNC @JoeBidenPrez @POTUS @IowaElections

vernie 6y ago

"But I think people should — if it were me — in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it. Okay? I may take it."

jsight 6y ago
Biden "may work, then again, [...] may not work." - Is that an endorsement?
- scythe 6y ago
  You're omitting the base rate. The base rate probability for an arbitrary drug to treat a disease with no treatments is probably extremely low, < 1%. There are thousands of drugs; at most a few treat COVID-19. Suggesting that any single drug has a significant chance of a positive effect puts it well ahead of the pack. By contrast, the base rate for a former Senator doing an okay job with the Presidency is probably in the range 20-80%. Suggesting that Biden would do as well as any other former Senator (may or may not) is not an endorsement, but suggesting he would do much better than the base rate is definitely an endorsement.
- josefresco 6y ago
  "What do you have to lose? Take it," "I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try." "one of the biggest game-changers in the history of medicine" "I want people to live and I’m seeing people dying and I’m seeing people who will die without it," These statements are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to endorsements by Trump.
- vernie 6y ago
  Biden has "a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine". Damn, I had better vote for that guy!

jjoonathan 6y ago

My mother, a pharmacist by training, has repeatedly communicated her impression that "this whole coronavirus thing would be gone in a week if we just gave everyone HCQ!" She got that impression from somewhere, but certainly not from any of the studies I've read, leaving the conservative news sphere as the likely source. Whoever is making the exaggerations, they're egregious.

tim333 6y ago
There's this kind of thing https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/breaking-controlled-clinical-study-conducted-doctors-%e2%80%8bin-france-shows-hydroxychloroquine-cures-100-coronavirus-patients-within-6-days-treatment-covidtrial-io/ https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/breaking-controlled-clin... which may have influenced her and the POTUS