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Creepy UN propaganda arm indignantly declares creepy "tech NGO" not guilty of anything untoward, tries to blame humble water filter merchant for their misfortun

Creepy UN propaganda arm indignantly declares creepy "tech NGO" not guilty of anything untoward, tries to blame humble water filter merchant for their misfortunes, despite his obviously not being involved at all beyond having mentioned them once a half a year ago. I feel a little bad for Gates who probably means well, but then I see crap like this and don't blame the tinfoil helmet crew for mistrusting these creepazoids. Their every action seems designed to engender mistrust. Can't they afford a real PR firm? Maybe they should hire Wolfram's; they're doing something right.

detaro 7y ago
> tries to blame humble water filter merchant for their misfortunes ?
- FriendlyNormie 7y ago
  “Humble water filter merchant” is a term that some people use to describe Alex Jones.
  - outworlder 7y ago
    Wow. How did the 'humble' adjective can ever stick to that person? Is this used tongue in cheek?
    - FriendlyNormie 7y ago
      The whole phrase is a multilayered meme. It’s generally used by alt-right neo nazis with conflicted emotions who believe Alex Jones works for the Jews but also find his tantrums endearing. “Humble merchant” is a phrase often used by modern antisemites when they parody the speech of an imaginary Jew describing himself in a disarming way. Use of the meme also reveals how long a person has been immersed in alt-right neo nazi internet culture, because it likely originated when Alex Jones’ primary product was water filters rather than supplements, so anyone using the meme has probably been an alt-right neo nazi for 4+ years, or at least reads what such people say fairly often.
      - dang 7y ago
        That's morbidly interesting but I don't think it's fair to tar scottlocklin with that brush. That's a severe accusation, a smear if untrue, and I've not seen any evidence of it. In fact his comment upthread expresses a contradictory view, just in a 'pox on all your houses' way.
        scottlocklin 7y ago
        Thanks dang. I'm pretty sure this person is a troll I know IRL. For the humor deprived, I'll spell it out. 1) I'm pretty sure Alex Jones would be mad if I called him that. That's one of the many things that makes it funny. 2) Alex Jones is a completely harmless kook, and it's shameful how he is demonized by powerful elements in our society with the acquiescence of people who should know better. 3) For example: this is a literal smear done by a UN propaganda agency done against ... Alex Jones, who, by the facts listed in their own accounts, had nothing to do with the problems of their creepy NGO. I'm pretty sure the UN is more powerful than Alex Jones. It's not a good look a literal UN propaganda agency flinging poo at some weirdo in Texas who ultimately hawks water filters for a living. 4) That NGO probably "means well" but is super creepy! 5) Bill Gates is also well meaning (I was once a subcontractor for his foundation), but is acting like a grade-A creep. He has arguably done some fairly evil things both in the past and in the present day. It is terribly ironic that the man who brought us Microsoft Windows is lecturing us about viruses. The reaction against him may be unfair and is probably ill informed, but he should really think about the figure he cuts in the world. Maybe touting a spooky vaccine global-ID regime isn't a good use of his time. Just a suggestion! Oligarchs like Gates are powerful and involved in some incredibly shady stuff. They should expect no deference from ordinary people, and should work hard for the approval of the masses. The insane insular arrogance of people like this, and their hangers on, well, perhaps they should consider why people trust kooks like Alex Jones more than themselves.
FriendlyNormie 7y ago
Bill Gates doesn’t mean well. Research Event 201. The COVID-19 virus strain was created in the level 4 virology lab in Wuhan using gain of function selective breeding techniques by infecting piglets with the virus, rounding up the corpses of those most devastated by it, grinding them up and feeding them to the next batch of uninfected piglets. Bill Gates played a role in the creation of this strain and is affiliated with ID2020 because he considers it instrumental in his goal of microchipping everyone. I’m sure that roughly 30% of HN would agree with everything I just said. Unfortunately the other 70% of mainstream narrative believers always outgun the other 30%. I alone get to witness the struggle between the two groups as my comment’s points go up and down before finally settling at -4. It’s important for us to remember the 30% are here. Our comments are imperceptibly gray, or we’ve been shadowbanned, or we’ve learned to not bother to comment at all, but we’re here. When stuff like OP’s flamebait is posted and all the comments seem to agree with it, don’t get confused into believing it has unanimous support. It’s not even close. By the way, people who abuse the flagging feature should probably be shadowbanned from flagging. Otherwise moderators run the risk of being disproportionately annoyed by commenters whose comments they’re forced to sift through in the queue when it’s actually the flagger’s fault they’re experiencing the annoyance.
- dang 7y ago
  The problem with those reasonable-sounding complaints is that the first paragraph is so out-there. I guarantee you that far less than 30% of HN is in favor of this. You're grossly overestimating the appeal of your posts. You're also assuming that people are downvoting and flagging based on disagreement alone, which is incorrect. Many downvotes and flags are because they identify a comment as flamebait or otherwise guideline-breaking. I personally downvote and/or flag many comments that I agree with (i.e. that are on 'my' side of an issue), because I disagree with how they're using HN. Similarly, I upvote many comments that I disagree with, if they're following the guidelines and are interesting contributions. A lot of HN users use the site like this—enough to counteract a lot of downvotes-for-mere-disagreement. So if your comments are being routinely downvoted and flagged, you'd do better to consider how you might not really be using HN as intended, rather than just blaming "mainstream narrative believers". By the way, I hope you saw my invitation to you about the game you wrote about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22842351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22842351. See the final paragraph in my reply.

detaro 7y ago

> tries to blame humble water filter merchant for their misfortunes ?

FriendlyNormie 7y ago
“Humble water filter merchant” is a term that some people use to describe Alex Jones.
- outworlder 7y ago
  Wow. How did the 'humble' adjective can ever stick to that person? Is this used tongue in cheek?
  - FriendlyNormie 7y ago
    The whole phrase is a multilayered meme. It’s generally used by alt-right neo nazis with conflicted emotions who believe Alex Jones works for the Jews but also find his tantrums endearing. “Humble merchant” is a phrase often used by modern antisemites when they parody the speech of an imaginary Jew describing himself in a disarming way. Use of the meme also reveals how long a person has been immersed in alt-right neo nazi internet culture, because it likely originated when Alex Jones’ primary product was water filters rather than supplements, so anyone using the meme has probably been an alt-right neo nazi for 4+ years, or at least reads what such people say fairly often.
    - dang 7y ago
      That's morbidly interesting but I don't think it's fair to tar scottlocklin with that brush. That's a severe accusation, a smear if untrue, and I've not seen any evidence of it. In fact his comment upthread expresses a contradictory view, just in a 'pox on all your houses' way.
      - scottlocklin 7y ago
        Thanks dang. I'm pretty sure this person is a troll I know IRL. For the humor deprived, I'll spell it out. 1) I'm pretty sure Alex Jones would be mad if I called him that. That's one of the many things that makes it funny. 2) Alex Jones is a completely harmless kook, and it's shameful how he is demonized by powerful elements in our society with the acquiescence of people who should know better. 3) For example: this is a literal smear done by a UN propaganda agency done against ... Alex Jones, who, by the facts listed in their own accounts, had nothing to do with the problems of their creepy NGO. I'm pretty sure the UN is more powerful than Alex Jones. It's not a good look a literal UN propaganda agency flinging poo at some weirdo in Texas who ultimately hawks water filters for a living. 4) That NGO probably "means well" but is super creepy! 5) Bill Gates is also well meaning (I was once a subcontractor for his foundation), but is acting like a grade-A creep. He has arguably done some fairly evil things both in the past and in the present day. It is terribly ironic that the man who brought us Microsoft Windows is lecturing us about viruses. The reaction against him may be unfair and is probably ill informed, but he should really think about the figure he cuts in the world. Maybe touting a spooky vaccine global-ID regime isn't a good use of his time. Just a suggestion! Oligarchs like Gates are powerful and involved in some incredibly shady stuff. They should expect no deference from ordinary people, and should work hard for the approval of the masses. The insane insular arrogance of people like this, and their hangers on, well, perhaps they should consider why people trust kooks like Alex Jones more than themselves.

FriendlyNormie 7y ago

Bill Gates doesn’t mean well. Research Event 201. The COVID-19 virus strain was created in the level 4 virology lab in Wuhan using gain of function selective breeding techniques by infecting piglets with the virus, rounding up the corpses of those most devastated by it, grinding them up and feeding them to the next batch of uninfected piglets. Bill Gates played a role in the creation of this strain and is affiliated with ID2020 because he considers it instrumental in his goal of microchipping everyone. I’m sure that roughly 30% of HN would agree with everything I just said. Unfortunately the other 70% of mainstream narrative believers always outgun the other 30%. I alone get to witness the struggle between the two groups as my comment’s points go up and down before finally settling at -4. It’s important for us to remember the 30% are here. Our comments are imperceptibly gray, or we’ve been shadowbanned, or we’ve learned to not bother to comment at all, but we’re here. When stuff like OP’s flamebait is posted and all the comments seem to agree with it, don’t get confused into believing it has unanimous support. It’s not even close. By the way, people who abuse the flagging feature should probably be shadowbanned from flagging. Otherwise moderators run the risk of being disproportionately annoyed by commenters whose comments they’re forced to sift through in the queue when it’s actually the flagger’s fault they’re experiencing the annoyance.

dang 7y ago
The problem with those reasonable-sounding complaints is that the first paragraph is so out-there. I guarantee you that far less than 30% of HN is in favor of this. You're grossly overestimating the appeal of your posts. You're also assuming that people are downvoting and flagging based on disagreement alone, which is incorrect. Many downvotes and flags are because they identify a comment as flamebait or otherwise guideline-breaking. I personally downvote and/or flag many comments that I agree with (i.e. that are on 'my' side of an issue), because I disagree with how they're using HN. Similarly, I upvote many comments that I disagree with, if they're following the guidelines and are interesting contributions. A lot of HN users use the site like this—enough to counteract a lot of downvotes-for-mere-disagreement. So if your comments are being routinely downvoted and flagged, you'd do better to consider how you might not really be using HN as intended, rather than just blaming "mainstream narrative believers". By the way, I hope you saw my invitation to you about the game you wrote about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22842351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22842351. See the final paragraph in my reply.