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Two obvious things: - Schools weren't opened for most of the month - Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS) What is glaringly omitted
by clarkmoody 7y ago
Two obvious things:
- Schools weren't opened for most of the month
- Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS)
What is glaringly omitted: how is a "school shooting" defined? The article mentioned some event that happened on campus (in the football field), which probably counts as a "school shooting" knowing the source of the data is an anti gun rights group. I wouldn't be surprised if the definition is quite broad so as to boost the stats.
So this is obvious narrative-pushing. But I might counter with, "See, this is a great reason to keep the schools closed. Look at the reduction in school shootings!" Which would fit right in with the level of discourse in American politics.
On a meta level, I'm genuinely curious how people's attitudes have changed throughout the COVID pandemic, not only about guns, but about homeschooling, privacy, surveillance, time with family, etc, etc.
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- pjc50 7y agoI mean, yes, there's a "narrative" being "pushed" that kids getting shot dead is bad and unnecessary, and more or less unique to the US and active warzones, so perhaps (like the pandemic) you should do something about it rather than just count the bodies? Or in the case of Alex Jones, libel the parents of the victims?
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- GCSAQCMIYI 7y agoAccording to the article's sources, how many students or teachers were injured in a school shooting in, say, March 2006?
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- rhizome 7y agoYou betray your own politics with the word "agenda," but taking you at face value, what's wrong with being anti-gun?
- zepto 7y agoThe biggest problem I see with being anti-gun, isn’t the desire to have a less fearful or violent society. It’s that anti-gun positions generally are not at all anti-gun they are anti-private individual, but happy for the state to use guns, and thus to be the sole arbiter of who is defended and who is defenseless.
- rhizome 7y ago>positions generally are not at all anti-gun they are anti-private individual Well that's definitely a stream of apophasis that doesn't address my question, but maybe we can save it if you describe where you draw the line between anti-gun and "anti-private individual." IME they are always conflated within the discourse. If you're implying a hypocrisy in supporting police having guns but people not, I don't agree, but even without that I'm fine if all guns go away. Does that now make my question answerable for you?
- zepto 7y agoI’m indeed implying the hypocrisy. I’m also fine with all guns going away. However nobody who is anti-gun is suggesting that in reality. I guess it all depends on how much you trust your government and police. Anti-gun sentiment seem to be about forcing the views of those who have reason to trust them, onto those who don’t, at gunpoint no less. That seems wrong to me.
- oliwarner 7y agoYes. It's deliberate facetious. It's making the point that school gun violence is so widespread, so rampant, so unchallenged, that the only way to avoid it has been to shut schools completely. You shouldn't quibble over definitions, worry about narratives or attitudes. You should consider what can be done to make schools safer environments for our children.
- ccffpphh 7y agoWe should ban encryption so shooters can't plan their attacks without being watched - for the children of course.
- oliwarner 7y agoIf that's the limit of our ability to consider something better, the kids don't stand a chance.
- CompanionCuuube 7y agoExactly the problem with modern gun control proposals.
- ccffpphh 7y agoI mean, it's all about the children right? Anything for the children! Might as well wrap up each of them in a biosuit with restrained arm movement so there's absolutely 0% chance of anyone committing any sort of harm whatsoever. Seriously, get real. Justifying the elimination of natural rights with "thinking of the children" is a common trope by authoritarians to seize control.
- oliwarner 7y agoWhat's with this silly nth degree stuff? Why can't you handle the idea of incremental change? Is the situation really beyond any worthwhile improvement in your eyes? I'm not reassured when you describe recurrent mass murder of children as a trope. Get some perspective.