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FWIW I've got some wired headphones I really love and I bought a dongle for them when I got my iPhone XS in 2018. I really don't notice it; it just feels like a

by _bxg1 7y ago

FWIW I've got some wired headphones I really love and I bought a dongle for them when I got my iPhone XS in 2018. I really don't notice it; it just feels like an extension of the cord.

iso1631 7y ago
If there were two native lightning ports that could be nearly as good as a 3.5mm jack. The lightning+3.5mm bodge jacks retain the functionality at a reduction in usability, but just about work for a non-premium product. An SE case with an upgraded processor would have been perfectly good.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? All I'm saying is, lots of people who are going on and on about the headphone jack are upset out of principle, even though it won't actually degrade their user experience to a meaningful degree. I'm not saying it was the right decision, necessarily, but I'm saying you'll have a better time if you just accept it and move forward. It really isn't that bad. Edit: Personally I only ever charge at night, and only ever use headphones when I'm walking around/driving somewhere. I guess battery life varies, but I also suspect that a lot of people are eagerly charging at every opportunity, even if they'd last the day without doing so. My XS lasts two days on a charge, usually.
  - zymhan 7y ago
    I have often wanted to charge my phone and listen to it at the same time. Wireless charging helped, but I really missed being able to plug my iPhone 8 into a power bank and my headphones at the same time.
    - drusepth 7y ago
      Playing Pokemon GO beat this into me hard. It used to be such a battery drain that you pretty much had to constantly be plugged in to a power bank with everything non-essential turned off (wifi, bluetooth, brightness, etc). But when you're out walking around, it was also way more enjoyable to have some kind of music or at least in-game sounds. Plugged in, with music. For as many hours each day as the power banks would allow.
  - iso1631 7y ago
    > When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? Aside from headphones? March 15th, the last time I took a train (been at home due to covid since then) > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? Last night, when I was watching futurama in bed Now when it comes to both cases, the answer would again be March 15th, when I had my phone plugged into my laptop providing limited connectivity, my headphones plugged into my phone listening to (offline) spotify. I then unplugged my headphones from the phone and plugged into my laptop to listen to a short video, then back into my phone to continue to listening to music. This is possible with a lightning+3.5mm jack dongle, but it's not as nice an experience as with the superior iphone of yesteryear.
    - dewey 7y ago
      > then unplugged my headphones from the phone and plugged into my laptop With some Bluetooth headphones you could just listen to both devices at the same time without plugging / switching anything. It also has upsides.
      - iso1631 7y ago
        Bluetooth is a pretty ropey experience for multi sources - which device am I paired with, how do I change from one to the other, all of that goes away with 3.5mm. I don't deny there are benefits of bluetooth, but there are benefits from a 3.5mm jack too.
        briandear 7y ago
        “Bluetooth” in general maybe, but have you used AirPods or any of the Beats headphones with the H1 chip? They are extraordinary.
        iso1631 7y ago
        I'm fortunate that I have my own office so don't need to worry about headphones during the working day - just have multiple speakers. How do these extraordinary headphones cope with sources from a TV, computer, laptop, phone, and test kit, which I want at different levels and outputs? A £50 mixer takes these inputs (almost all from 3.5mm sources) and brings them all together via a reliable tactile interface. On the road of course I only tend to have to choose between 2 sources, so perhaps beats can approach the utility of a 3.5mm audio cable.
  - willyt 7y ago
    Falling asleep to podcasts?
  - gpanders 7y ago
    > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? Not music, but phone calls. Working remotely means I spend a lot more time on the phone, and only recently I was frustrated by the fact that I could not charge my phone and use headphones on a call at the same time.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      I have a $20 wireless charging stand....
  - samstave 7y ago
    I regularly charge and listen - ill plug my phone into my 15,000 MA Lit battery when hike/walk for miles and listen to podcasts or the radio.
  - sangnoir 7y ago
    When was the last time you needed an airbag? I wouldn't be upset on _principle_ if it turns out my car doesn't have a working one; I don't even expect to use it frequently. However, when I do _need_ it, I'll need it badly.
  - arethuza 7y ago
    "And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time?" Well, I listen to audiobooks while walking in the Scottish mountains and 10+ hour days are possible and when running multiple apps (OS maps, Endomondo, Audible) I do need to charge and use my phone at the same time (I have a dual lightning/headphone adapter that supports charging and listening at the same time).
    - briandear 7y ago
      I think we should stop this conversation about headphones and instead talk about walking for 10 hours in the Scottish mountains.. that’s so cool!
      - arethuza 7y ago
        If you are interested I can recommend: https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ And I've been watching these videos to stay (relatively) sane these last few weeks: https://www.youtube.com/user/wilkiemurray https://www.youtube.com/user/wilkiemurray
  - oarsinsync 7y ago
    Over the last 8 weeks? Every single day. My regular bluetooth headset with built in mic picks up too much ambient noise, so I use a wired Jabra headset with a boom microphone, and I'm on this every day since I'm now remote from the people I need to speak to regularly. Prior to the last 8 weeks? Not very often. Over the next 8 weeks? I expect every day still. Over the next year or two? 40% chance that it'll still be happening regularly.
  - karatestomp 7y ago
    > When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? It's been a while, because I dropped my adapter down somewhere in the center console of my car, past the hand brake, so it's gone. I've been burning CDs instead. A CD burner only costs about as much as 3 of those adapters and the media's dirt cheap. [EDIT] before that, daily.
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  - mdorazio 7y ago
    My car doesn't have bluetooth, so Monday?
    - scarface74 7y ago
      IMDEN Bluetooth FM Transmitter... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2RTN5Z?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2RTN5Z?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_shar...
      - iso1631 7y ago
        Many people on this thread are very keen to show how many things you can get to work around the lack of 3.5mm jack What exactly is the benefit to not having a 3.5mm jack?
        scarface74 7y ago
        Well, my son also has a car without Bluetooth and he had an aux cord that he left in his car with a lightning adapter attached. He even found it much more convenient to just turn on his car and it paired to the Bluetooth adapter above. A $10 adapter that just stays attached to the cord you would need for your car anyway if you don’t have Bluetooth doesn’t seem that inconvenient. However, a wireless cigarette lighter adapter that supports Bluetooth is much more convenient either way. For me personally, Bluetooth headphones in general and AirPods Pro in particular are much more convenient - especially going back and forth between my cellular watch when I am jogging or in the gym (pre-Covid),my phone, my iPad, my laptop, and my AppleTV. Besides cords get tangled, yanked out, caught on things, etc.
        drusepth 7y ago
        >For me personally, Bluetooth headphones in general and AirPods Pro in particular are much more convenient You're free to use Bluetooth headphones even if you have a headphone jack; being able to use them doesn't seem like a "benefit" of not having the jack.
  - ebrewste 7y ago
    When I wake up for an early meeting and find that I forgot to put the phone on the charger, so I need to charge ASAP and also get on the call with headphones.
  - Rebelgecko 7y ago
    Any time I go on a long drive with GPS running Any time I get on a flight longer than 3 hours or so When I've been using my phone a lot during the day but want to listen to music while I do dishes before bed
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      You’re wearing headphones in the car?
      - Rebelgecko 7y ago
        No, that's illegal where I live (at least for the driver, I'll sometime wear headphones on a long trip when I'm not driving but in that case I won't be navigating so battery drain isn't as bad). I was responding to the above poster's question: "And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time?" I don't have wireless Android Auto or whatever new cars have nowadays, so I use an analog connection to my car's stereo. The cable uses the same 3.5mm jack as headphones, but is legal as long as I don't fiddle with my phone while driving.
        SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        This sure seems like a niche case that rightfully Apple wouldn’t see in their actual-use statistics when making decisions like “should we remove the analog 3.5mm?”
        drusepth 7y ago
        I'm not sure "driving an older car" is a very niche case. 3.5mm jacks on car stereos go back literal decades, and my 2019 Jetta still has one (even though it also has Android Auto + CarPlay). Even as far back as cars with cassette players saw people buying cassette tape adapters so people could route 3.5mm audio through the tape deck. Even in newer cars, it's the same kind of choice reduction you see on phones, though. With a jack you can choose whether you want wired or wireless audio; without a jack you're still with wireless all the time, even when wired would be more convenient.
  - downerending 7y ago
    Actually, I find it necessary to charge and listen and the same time pretty frequently (almost daily). More importantly, though, removing the headphone jack is just plain stupid. Why should I support stupidity with my hard-earned money?
  - ben-schaaf 7y ago
    > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? I'm doing it right now... I do it multiple times every day... And if I wasn't at home due to Covid I'd be doing so even more often.
  - h1srf 7y ago
    > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? On planes - although I guess it will be a while before I go on a flight again.
  - NikolaNovak 7y ago
    >> lots of people who are going on and on about the headphone jack are upset out of principle, even though it won't actually degrade their user experience to a meaningful degree But that is patently untrue. 1. I used to have a bunch of cheap, working headsets everywhere - laptop backpack, car, office, home. That whole use case and convenience is GONE. 2. If I was somewhere and needed to take a concall, I could just borrow anybody's headset. No longer the case. 3. Instead of having a good pair of headphones for 2 decades, I now have to buy new bluetooth headphones with unreplaceable battery and aging standards every few years, and worry about charging them etc. My life has been so much worse since my employer switched to iPhone, that I wrote to my boss, project manager, practice lead, and in the end CFO. And not because "I'm one of those people" - I spend 3-6hrs a day on calls, and life just sucks now. (for those who think Airpods are "fine for calls" - yes. For YOU. Not for other 20 people on the call who have to hear everything happening in 5 miles radius of you. And heaven help us if multiple Airpods join the call!) So even if we say life got worse for - whatever: 10%, 5%, 1% of population - how has it gotten BETTER for you guys that don't happen to have a need for a jack? The phone is not smaller, it doesn't have a better battery life, etc. I just don't see the argument here other than "I don't need it, so nobody should have it". I've now spent several hundred dollars on the best-reviewed, bluetooth headset for my conference calls, and it's nowhere near as good, or convenient, as my $29.99 wired headsets.
    - iso1631 7y ago
      Seriously, just buy something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T Yes we shouldn't have to, yes it's a step backwards, yes it's not as good, but I suspect it would save you a lot of problems. Don't let perfect (a phone company making a phone with a standard cabled audio interface) be the enemy of good (a solution for your problem).
      - NikolaNovak 7y ago
        I have several variations of those. It now becomes either something I have to carry around with me always; or buy one for each 3.5mm headset I've stashed. Add the poor reliability and performance, and we come back to your point: "Yes we shouldn't have to, yes it's a step backwards, yes it's not as good" Exactly. So I will absolutely do whatever I can to make my life easier - but I also refuse to pretend this does not make my life needlessly harder - once again, for no obvious gain for those who defend the decision. Phone jack is inherently different than all the Firewire/Zip drive items. There are literally thousands of technologies, interfaces and standards that live and die like fireflies. But the phone jack is a century old and still works perfectly well, and we have replaced it WITH the technology of the day - who thinks their $300 Bluetooth Bose will work 20 years from now? Or seemlessly plug in to each device they use?
  - lukifer 7y ago
    > upset out of principle Every single moment of "oh, I'll just plug my phone into the AUX... oh. right." is not "out of principle". It's made especially stark when contrasted with other devices: right now I'm 3.5mm'd into a 2019 MacBook for Zoom; I can trivially replug into the iPad next to me, but if I want to do the same with the equivalent era iPhone, I have to walk out of the room, root through a bag for the adapter, or go find the AirPods (hoping they're charged), probably re-select them as the output, while accepting the loss in quality from the old-school cans. It's not some hypothetical: it's literally decades of habit and muscle memory, throwing away a simple and universal technology that worked insanely well. I can forgive this sort of short-term sacrifice for a transition to a better world: floppy for USB, HDMI for USB-C. One can debate whether the loss is necessary, but usually once we're on the other side, the new standard is inherently superior across every metric. This is not the case for wired to wireless audio. Though I love the AirPods, they still have batteries, which still run down (short term, and long term). It's always more of a hassle to swap bluetooth connections than just replugging cables. If I want to not share my audio with the world, I can be 1000% sure of that by plugging in a cable, as opposed to the ephemeral "is my computer paired right now, and if so to what?", which could change at any moment when signal is lost or a battery dies. Sure, there's dongles, which is yet another piece of tech junk to juggle and find and lose, and which never seem to be around when you actually need it. Imagine you went to your bookshelf to grab something to read, only to discover that your curated and beloved collection has all been pulped, and a Kindle with their contents is now in its place. Bezos enthusiastically tells you how much better the Kindle is, and how brave he is for "upgrading" you. That is how we feel. It's one thing to decide to make this sort of transition yourself; when a massive corporation does it on your behalf, "for your own good", yeah, we're gonna get peeved.
- jodrellblank 7y ago
  This new SE has wireless charging, would that address the charging and music aspect?
  - iso1631 7y ago
    Something like this "addresses" it, it's just an inferior experience. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T
airstrike 7y ago
> I really don't notice it; it just feels like an extension of the cord. You just can't charge and listen to music at the same time...

by _bxg1 7y ago

FWIW I've got some wired headphones I really love and I bought a dongle for them when I got my iPhone XS in 2018. I really don't notice it; it just feels like an extension of the cord.

iso1631 7y ago

If there were two native lightning ports that could be nearly as good as a 3.5mm jack. The lightning+3.5mm bodge jacks retain the functionality at a reduction in usability, but just about work for a non-premium product. An SE case with an upgraded processor would have been perfectly good.

_bxg1 7y ago
When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? All I'm saying is, lots of people who are going on and on about the headphone jack are upset out of principle, even though it won't actually degrade their user experience to a meaningful degree. I'm not saying it was the right decision, necessarily, but I'm saying you'll have a better time if you just accept it and move forward. It really isn't that bad. Edit: Personally I only ever charge at night, and only ever use headphones when I'm walking around/driving somewhere. I guess battery life varies, but I also suspect that a lot of people are eagerly charging at every opportunity, even if they'd last the day without doing so. My XS lasts two days on a charge, usually.
- zymhan 7y ago
  I have often wanted to charge my phone and listen to it at the same time. Wireless charging helped, but I really missed being able to plug my iPhone 8 into a power bank and my headphones at the same time.
  - drusepth 7y ago
    Playing Pokemon GO beat this into me hard. It used to be such a battery drain that you pretty much had to constantly be plugged in to a power bank with everything non-essential turned off (wifi, bluetooth, brightness, etc). But when you're out walking around, it was also way more enjoyable to have some kind of music or at least in-game sounds. Plugged in, with music. For as many hours each day as the power banks would allow.
- iso1631 7y ago
  > When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? Aside from headphones? March 15th, the last time I took a train (been at home due to covid since then) > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? Last night, when I was watching futurama in bed Now when it comes to both cases, the answer would again be March 15th, when I had my phone plugged into my laptop providing limited connectivity, my headphones plugged into my phone listening to (offline) spotify. I then unplugged my headphones from the phone and plugged into my laptop to listen to a short video, then back into my phone to continue to listening to music. This is possible with a lightning+3.5mm jack dongle, but it's not as nice an experience as with the superior iphone of yesteryear.
  - dewey 7y ago
    > then unplugged my headphones from the phone and plugged into my laptop With some Bluetooth headphones you could just listen to both devices at the same time without plugging / switching anything. It also has upsides.
    - iso1631 7y ago
      Bluetooth is a pretty ropey experience for multi sources - which device am I paired with, how do I change from one to the other, all of that goes away with 3.5mm. I don't deny there are benefits of bluetooth, but there are benefits from a 3.5mm jack too.
      - briandear 7y ago
        “Bluetooth” in general maybe, but have you used AirPods or any of the Beats headphones with the H1 chip? They are extraordinary.
        iso1631 7y ago
        I'm fortunate that I have my own office so don't need to worry about headphones during the working day - just have multiple speakers. How do these extraordinary headphones cope with sources from a TV, computer, laptop, phone, and test kit, which I want at different levels and outputs? A £50 mixer takes these inputs (almost all from 3.5mm sources) and brings them all together via a reliable tactile interface. On the road of course I only tend to have to choose between 2 sources, so perhaps beats can approach the utility of a 3.5mm audio cable.
- willyt 7y ago
  Falling asleep to podcasts?
- gpanders 7y ago
  > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? Not music, but phone calls. Working remotely means I spend a lot more time on the phone, and only recently I was frustrated by the fact that I could not charge my phone and use headphones on a call at the same time.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    I have a $20 wireless charging stand....
- samstave 7y ago
  I regularly charge and listen - ill plug my phone into my 15,000 MA Lit battery when hike/walk for miles and listen to podcasts or the radio.
- sangnoir 7y ago
  When was the last time you needed an airbag? I wouldn't be upset on _principle_ if it turns out my car doesn't have a working one; I don't even expect to use it frequently. However, when I do _need_ it, I'll need it badly.
- arethuza 7y ago
  "And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time?" Well, I listen to audiobooks while walking in the Scottish mountains and 10+ hour days are possible and when running multiple apps (OS maps, Endomondo, Audible) I do need to charge and use my phone at the same time (I have a dual lightning/headphone adapter that supports charging and listening at the same time).
  - briandear 7y ago
    I think we should stop this conversation about headphones and instead talk about walking for 10 hours in the Scottish mountains.. that’s so cool!
    - arethuza 7y ago
      If you are interested I can recommend: https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ And I've been watching these videos to stay (relatively) sane these last few weeks: https://www.youtube.com/user/wilkiemurray https://www.youtube.com/user/wilkiemurray
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  Over the last 8 weeks? Every single day. My regular bluetooth headset with built in mic picks up too much ambient noise, so I use a wired Jabra headset with a boom microphone, and I'm on this every day since I'm now remote from the people I need to speak to regularly. Prior to the last 8 weeks? Not very often. Over the next 8 weeks? I expect every day still. Over the next year or two? 40% chance that it'll still be happening regularly.
- karatestomp 7y ago
  > When was the last time you plugged your phone into anything except to charge? And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? It's been a while, because I dropped my adapter down somewhere in the center console of my car, past the hand brake, so it's gone. I've been burning CDs instead. A CD burner only costs about as much as 3 of those adapters and the media's dirt cheap. [EDIT] before that, daily.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- mdorazio 7y ago
  My car doesn't have bluetooth, so Monday?
  - scarface74 7y ago
    IMDEN Bluetooth FM Transmitter... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2RTN5Z?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2RTN5Z?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_shar...
    - iso1631 7y ago
      Many people on this thread are very keen to show how many things you can get to work around the lack of 3.5mm jack What exactly is the benefit to not having a 3.5mm jack?
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Well, my son also has a car without Bluetooth and he had an aux cord that he left in his car with a lightning adapter attached. He even found it much more convenient to just turn on his car and it paired to the Bluetooth adapter above. A $10 adapter that just stays attached to the cord you would need for your car anyway if you don’t have Bluetooth doesn’t seem that inconvenient. However, a wireless cigarette lighter adapter that supports Bluetooth is much more convenient either way. For me personally, Bluetooth headphones in general and AirPods Pro in particular are much more convenient - especially going back and forth between my cellular watch when I am jogging or in the gym (pre-Covid),my phone, my iPad, my laptop, and my AppleTV. Besides cords get tangled, yanked out, caught on things, etc.
        drusepth 7y ago
        >For me personally, Bluetooth headphones in general and AirPods Pro in particular are much more convenient You're free to use Bluetooth headphones even if you have a headphone jack; being able to use them doesn't seem like a "benefit" of not having the jack.
- ebrewste 7y ago
  When I wake up for an early meeting and find that I forgot to put the phone on the charger, so I need to charge ASAP and also get on the call with headphones.
- Rebelgecko 7y ago
  Any time I go on a long drive with GPS running Any time I get on a flight longer than 3 hours or so When I've been using my phone a lot during the day but want to listen to music while I do dishes before bed
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    You’re wearing headphones in the car?
    - Rebelgecko 7y ago
      No, that's illegal where I live (at least for the driver, I'll sometime wear headphones on a long trip when I'm not driving but in that case I won't be navigating so battery drain isn't as bad). I was responding to the above poster's question: "And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time?" I don't have wireless Android Auto or whatever new cars have nowadays, so I use an analog connection to my car's stereo. The cable uses the same 3.5mm jack as headphones, but is legal as long as I don't fiddle with my phone while driving.
      - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        This sure seems like a niche case that rightfully Apple wouldn’t see in their actual-use statistics when making decisions like “should we remove the analog 3.5mm?”
        drusepth 7y ago
        I'm not sure "driving an older car" is a very niche case. 3.5mm jacks on car stereos go back literal decades, and my 2019 Jetta still has one (even though it also has Android Auto + CarPlay). Even as far back as cars with cassette players saw people buying cassette tape adapters so people could route 3.5mm audio through the tape deck. Even in newer cars, it's the same kind of choice reduction you see on phones, though. With a jack you can choose whether you want wired or wireless audio; without a jack you're still with wireless all the time, even when wired would be more convenient.
- downerending 7y ago
  Actually, I find it necessary to charge and listen and the same time pretty frequently (almost daily). More importantly, though, removing the headphone jack is just plain stupid. Why should I support stupidity with my hard-earned money?
- ben-schaaf 7y ago
  > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? I'm doing it right now... I do it multiple times every day... And if I wasn't at home due to Covid I'd be doing so even more often.
- h1srf 7y ago
  > And when was the last time you needed to charge it and listen to music at the same time? On planes - although I guess it will be a while before I go on a flight again.
- NikolaNovak 7y ago
  >> lots of people who are going on and on about the headphone jack are upset out of principle, even though it won't actually degrade their user experience to a meaningful degree But that is patently untrue. 1. I used to have a bunch of cheap, working headsets everywhere - laptop backpack, car, office, home. That whole use case and convenience is GONE. 2. If I was somewhere and needed to take a concall, I could just borrow anybody's headset. No longer the case. 3. Instead of having a good pair of headphones for 2 decades, I now have to buy new bluetooth headphones with unreplaceable battery and aging standards every few years, and worry about charging them etc. My life has been so much worse since my employer switched to iPhone, that I wrote to my boss, project manager, practice lead, and in the end CFO. And not because "I'm one of those people" - I spend 3-6hrs a day on calls, and life just sucks now. (for those who think Airpods are "fine for calls" - yes. For YOU. Not for other 20 people on the call who have to hear everything happening in 5 miles radius of you. And heaven help us if multiple Airpods join the call!) So even if we say life got worse for - whatever: 10%, 5%, 1% of population - how has it gotten BETTER for you guys that don't happen to have a need for a jack? The phone is not smaller, it doesn't have a better battery life, etc. I just don't see the argument here other than "I don't need it, so nobody should have it". I've now spent several hundred dollars on the best-reviewed, bluetooth headset for my conference calls, and it's nowhere near as good, or convenient, as my $29.99 wired headsets.
  - iso1631 7y ago
    Seriously, just buy something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T Yes we shouldn't have to, yes it's a step backwards, yes it's not as good, but I suspect it would save you a lot of problems. Don't let perfect (a phone company making a phone with a standard cabled audio interface) be the enemy of good (a solution for your problem).
    - NikolaNovak 7y ago
      I have several variations of those. It now becomes either something I have to carry around with me always; or buy one for each 3.5mm headset I've stashed. Add the poor reliability and performance, and we come back to your point: "Yes we shouldn't have to, yes it's a step backwards, yes it's not as good" Exactly. So I will absolutely do whatever I can to make my life easier - but I also refuse to pretend this does not make my life needlessly harder - once again, for no obvious gain for those who defend the decision. Phone jack is inherently different than all the Firewire/Zip drive items. There are literally thousands of technologies, interfaces and standards that live and die like fireflies. But the phone jack is a century old and still works perfectly well, and we have replaced it WITH the technology of the day - who thinks their $300 Bluetooth Bose will work 20 years from now? Or seemlessly plug in to each device they use?
- lukifer 7y ago
  > upset out of principle Every single moment of "oh, I'll just plug my phone into the AUX... oh. right." is not "out of principle". It's made especially stark when contrasted with other devices: right now I'm 3.5mm'd into a 2019 MacBook for Zoom; I can trivially replug into the iPad next to me, but if I want to do the same with the equivalent era iPhone, I have to walk out of the room, root through a bag for the adapter, or go find the AirPods (hoping they're charged), probably re-select them as the output, while accepting the loss in quality from the old-school cans. It's not some hypothetical: it's literally decades of habit and muscle memory, throwing away a simple and universal technology that worked insanely well. I can forgive this sort of short-term sacrifice for a transition to a better world: floppy for USB, HDMI for USB-C. One can debate whether the loss is necessary, but usually once we're on the other side, the new standard is inherently superior across every metric. This is not the case for wired to wireless audio. Though I love the AirPods, they still have batteries, which still run down (short term, and long term). It's always more of a hassle to swap bluetooth connections than just replugging cables. If I want to not share my audio with the world, I can be 1000% sure of that by plugging in a cable, as opposed to the ephemeral "is my computer paired right now, and if so to what?", which could change at any moment when signal is lost or a battery dies. Sure, there's dongles, which is yet another piece of tech junk to juggle and find and lose, and which never seem to be around when you actually need it. Imagine you went to your bookshelf to grab something to read, only to discover that your curated and beloved collection has all been pulped, and a Kindle with their contents is now in its place. Bezos enthusiastically tells you how much better the Kindle is, and how brave he is for "upgrading" you. That is how we feel. It's one thing to decide to make this sort of transition yourself; when a massive corporation does it on your behalf, "for your own good", yeah, we're gonna get peeved.
jodrellblank 7y ago
This new SE has wireless charging, would that address the charging and music aspect?
- iso1631 7y ago
  Something like this "addresses" it, it's just an inferior experience. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFMNZ6T

airstrike 7y ago

> I really don't notice it; it just feels like an extension of the cord. You just can't charge and listen to music at the same time...