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There's a difference between wanting something and having an expectation that you'll get it. For instance, I have an expectation that my phones will have a jack

There's a difference between wanting something and having an expectation that you'll get it. For instance, I have an expectation that my phones will have a jack, which is one of the reasons my phone isn't Apple.

dangus 7y ago
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- recursive 7y ago
  > People who don't want to buy an iPhone because of it should just not buy them and stop hammering away at this dead horse. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm already not buying iPhones. The only reason I'd ever mention it anymore is when I see comments like this. > You might as well give up on the headphone jack bud. There's no reason to give up on headphone jacks. > Finally, it has to be pointed out that people who complain about this omission underestimate how much internal space a headphone jack wastes in a phone. I can't be underestimating it if I'm not estimating it. Some phones have jacks. Some don't. I buy the ones with jacks. I don't notice a difference in size.
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  - barbecue_sauce 7y ago
    I don't think the headphone jack will make much of a difference to size (specifically thinness) until they can completely eliminate all ports and move completely to wireless charging. I think that's their endgame here, as ports are the biggest hurdle to the thinness which their industrial designers (and marketers) fetishize.
    - recursive 7y ago
      If anyone ever manages to produce a phone with zero ports on it, then I'll evaluate that phone on its own merits. I'm not going spend hundreds (thousands?) of dollars on a phone that's worse just because it might encourage the manufacturer to design one that might be better in the future.
      - barbecue_sauce 7y ago
        It's not really about "encouragement". This is clearly Apple's plan, and this is merely an incremental step that they must take to normalize certain things before they can achieve what they actually want to.

dangus 7y ago

recursive 7y ago
> People who don't want to buy an iPhone because of it should just not buy them and stop hammering away at this dead horse. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm already not buying iPhones. The only reason I'd ever mention it anymore is when I see comments like this. > You might as well give up on the headphone jack bud. There's no reason to give up on headphone jacks. > Finally, it has to be pointed out that people who complain about this omission underestimate how much internal space a headphone jack wastes in a phone. I can't be underestimating it if I'm not estimating it. Some phones have jacks. Some don't. I buy the ones with jacks. I don't notice a difference in size.
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- barbecue_sauce 7y ago
  I don't think the headphone jack will make much of a difference to size (specifically thinness) until they can completely eliminate all ports and move completely to wireless charging. I think that's their endgame here, as ports are the biggest hurdle to the thinness which their industrial designers (and marketers) fetishize.
  - recursive 7y ago
    If anyone ever manages to produce a phone with zero ports on it, then I'll evaluate that phone on its own merits. I'm not going spend hundreds (thousands?) of dollars on a phone that's worse just because it might encourage the manufacturer to design one that might be better in the future.
    - barbecue_sauce 7y ago
      It's not really about "encouragement". This is clearly Apple's plan, and this is merely an incremental step that they must take to normalize certain things before they can achieve what they actually want to.