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The old iPhone SE had two things that appealed to me (and anecdotally, that appealed to some of my friends): 1. it was small-ish 2. it had a headphone jack Wi

by tazjin 7y ago

The old iPhone SE had two things that appealed to me (and anecdotally, that appealed to some of my friends): 1. it was small-ish 2. it had a headphone jack Without those I don't see this as a viable followup product.

richardwhiuk 7y ago
This is really a follow up to the iPhone 7/8.
- ben174 7y ago
  Thus being referred to by the speculators as the iPhone 9.
therealdrag0 7y ago
What're you using now?
- tazjin 7y ago
  I bought an S10e a while back because I didn't want to use iOS anymore. At the time it was the smallest Android phone with a headphone jack. It's decent hardware, a little too large, and with some terrible Samsung-bloatware on it - not ideal, but there are no alternatives.
developerdylan 7y ago
It's still viable for most people. Most people will be okay with the included pair of wired headphones.
- motge 7y ago
  I use my EarPods with headphone plug on a number of devices. The one with the Lightning connector is only useable with Apple devices, so this is again a vendor lockin. This has to stop.
  - KMnO4 7y ago
    I just bought a few lighting-to-3.5mm adapters and leave them permanently affixed to my various headphones. Seems like a simple fix, versus perpetually being upset that I can't use my headphones on my iPhone.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Yes because people are locked into a complete ecosystem even though there is a $10 adapter...
- whitebread 7y ago
  Feels a step too far to assume for most people. I agree with other commenters that the new phone is too big and left wanting due to no headphone jack
tradesmanhelix 7y ago
Agree. I was so excited to see this announcement and kept reading and reading to see if they had left the headphone jack :( I would have bought two _today_ if they'd kept the same outside and just updated camera + internals. As it stands, not sure what I'll do as an updated SE was my last hope that Apple would continue making a phone with a headphone jack, but that was probably a pipe dream to begin with. And please don't try to sell me on Bluetooth. It works OK 60-70% of the time in my experience, but it's super frustrating when it fails (esp. when trying to help older less tech-savvy relatives) and I often find myself just wanting to be able to plug in a darn cord. Ahh the good 'ol days...
- tazjin 7y ago
  > but it's super frustrating when it fails Yep, plus my phone is just one of many devices that I connect headphones to and I can't be bothered to maintain a collection of adapters. Also, did you know that the firmware on the Lightning->3.5mm adapter can crash? My basic point about Bluetooth audio is usually this: In the absence of hardware failures, audio cables are almost 100% reliable. In the absence of hardware failures, Bluetooth still suffers from a variety of random issues. Bluetooth has its place (I find it useful to walk around the house listening to stuff without carrying a device), but it's certainly not - and won't ever be - a replacement for audio cables.

by tazjin 7y ago

richardwhiuk 7y ago

This is really a follow up to the iPhone 7/8.

ben174 7y ago
Thus being referred to by the speculators as the iPhone 9.

therealdrag0 7y ago

What're you using now?

tazjin 7y ago
I bought an S10e a while back because I didn't want to use iOS anymore. At the time it was the smallest Android phone with a headphone jack. It's decent hardware, a little too large, and with some terrible Samsung-bloatware on it - not ideal, but there are no alternatives.

developerdylan 7y ago

It's still viable for most people. Most people will be okay with the included pair of wired headphones.

motge 7y ago
I use my EarPods with headphone plug on a number of devices. The one with the Lightning connector is only useable with Apple devices, so this is again a vendor lockin. This has to stop.
- KMnO4 7y ago
  I just bought a few lighting-to-3.5mm adapters and leave them permanently affixed to my various headphones. Seems like a simple fix, versus perpetually being upset that I can't use my headphones on my iPhone.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Yes because people are locked into a complete ecosystem even though there is a $10 adapter...
whitebread 7y ago
Feels a step too far to assume for most people. I agree with other commenters that the new phone is too big and left wanting due to no headphone jack

tradesmanhelix 7y ago

Agree. I was so excited to see this announcement and kept reading and reading to see if they had left the headphone jack :( I would have bought two _today_ if they'd kept the same outside and just updated camera + internals. As it stands, not sure what I'll do as an updated SE was my last hope that Apple would continue making a phone with a headphone jack, but that was probably a pipe dream to begin with. And please don't try to sell me on Bluetooth. It works OK 60-70% of the time in my experience, but it's super frustrating when it fails (esp. when trying to help older less tech-savvy relatives) and I often find myself just wanting to be able to plug in a darn cord. Ahh the good 'ol days...

tazjin 7y ago
> but it's super frustrating when it fails Yep, plus my phone is just one of many devices that I connect headphones to and I can't be bothered to maintain a collection of adapters. Also, did you know that the firmware on the Lightning->3.5mm adapter can crash? My basic point about Bluetooth audio is usually this: In the absence of hardware failures, audio cables are almost 100% reliable. In the absence of hardware failures, Bluetooth still suffers from a variety of random issues. Bluetooth has its place (I find it useful to walk around the house listening to stuff without carrying a device), but it's certainly not - and won't ever be - a replacement for audio cables.