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>I feel like whatever errors Amazon have made with regard to protecting its employees have largely been realized in France by now I guess I'm going to have to

>I feel like whatever errors Amazon have made with regard to protecting its employees have largely been realized in France by now I guess I'm going to have to believe the people actually intimately involved in this, like the courts, instead of an armchair analyst on hacker news.

Noos 7y ago
Th EU in general has shown a willingness to use the courts to punish or fleece American companies. I wouldn't trust them at all.
- bluntfang 7y ago
  Those poor companies. They definitely deserve some sympathy along with their billions in profits and their employees definitely don't deserve safe working conditions.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    Sarcastic strawman arguments damage the quality of discourse.
twodave 7y ago
Judging by the reaction to Amazon's response, I'm not sure I can connect the dots that make the French government more knowledgeable of Amazon's internal complexities than I am, to be totally honest. That is why I am asserting that giving them a 24-hour deadline to make changes is going to do more harm than good to the citizens of France. I've spent enough time looking at the data to know that France is well past their peak infection rate (by over a week). The bigger concern in the coming weeks, in my opinion, is timely delivery of goods to those French citizens who need them, and this new mandate goes against that concern.
- bluntfang 7y ago
  >I'm not sure I can connect the dots that make the French government more knowledgeable of Amazon's internal complexities than I am, to be totally honest Do you live in France? Are you an Amazon Employee? A French government employee? A workplace safety professional?
  - twodave 7y ago
    Amazon employees wouldn’t have had any input on a mandate like this. Do any of those other groups necessarily have insight into the organizational complexity at Amazon? I brought up what I believe is a valid argument that this mandate is harmful to French citizens, and your response has been to attack my credibility with an undertone of disrespect rather than bring a reasoned logic to the discussion. As evidenced by your other comments you obviously have an agenda in this debate, and that is fine. Life has no purpose without some kind of agenda, but please show me the same respect I am showing you.
    - switch11 7y ago
      perhaps you could explain what your stance is are you French? why do you think it is harmful to French citizens? What qualifies you to share this opinion
jshevek 7y ago
You should be a bit skeptical of both. Trusting the courts is foolish and dangerous, in this case and in general.

Noos 7y ago

Th EU in general has shown a willingness to use the courts to punish or fleece American companies. I wouldn't trust them at all.

bluntfang 7y ago
Those poor companies. They definitely deserve some sympathy along with their billions in profits and their employees definitely don't deserve safe working conditions.
- jshevek 7y ago
  Sarcastic strawman arguments damage the quality of discourse.

twodave 7y ago

Judging by the reaction to Amazon's response, I'm not sure I can connect the dots that make the French government more knowledgeable of Amazon's internal complexities than I am, to be totally honest. That is why I am asserting that giving them a 24-hour deadline to make changes is going to do more harm than good to the citizens of France. I've spent enough time looking at the data to know that France is well past their peak infection rate (by over a week). The bigger concern in the coming weeks, in my opinion, is timely delivery of goods to those French citizens who need them, and this new mandate goes against that concern.

bluntfang 7y ago
>I'm not sure I can connect the dots that make the French government more knowledgeable of Amazon's internal complexities than I am, to be totally honest Do you live in France? Are you an Amazon Employee? A French government employee? A workplace safety professional?
- twodave 7y ago
  Amazon employees wouldn’t have had any input on a mandate like this. Do any of those other groups necessarily have insight into the organizational complexity at Amazon? I brought up what I believe is a valid argument that this mandate is harmful to French citizens, and your response has been to attack my credibility with an undertone of disrespect rather than bring a reasoned logic to the discussion. As evidenced by your other comments you obviously have an agenda in this debate, and that is fine. Life has no purpose without some kind of agenda, but please show me the same respect I am showing you.
  - switch11 7y ago
    perhaps you could explain what your stance is are you French? why do you think it is harmful to French citizens? What qualifies you to share this opinion

jshevek 7y ago

You should be a bit skeptical of both. Trusting the courts is foolish and dangerous, in this case and in general.