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> It's a big source of innovation that's enthusiasticly true, it is somewhat big and it is the source of some innovation, maybe. But it isn't a research center

> It's a big source of innovation that's enthusiasticly true, it is somewhat big and it is the source of some innovation, maybe. But it isn't a research center by any measure. People working in research might contribute, and that's nearly always awesome when it happens. But the roots of the demoscene are slightly more humble, between game producers, the cracking scene, teenage engineers and bed room musicians, the scene remained rather conservative. Oh I like to ramble, like the lamer that I am. I don't even know what the scene!? The scene is dead!!1 Also, "intangible" by definition means it never produced tangible results ;)

theandrewbailey 7y ago
I was under the impression that 'intangible' means 'not physical'.
- 867-5309 7y ago
  it does, the other definition is not an accepted definition
  - rendall 7y ago
    It was a pun, I'm sure.
fsloth 7y ago
There are also lots of research centers that don't as much innovate but rather just chew through grants. Finnish Demoscene is the origin of the current Finnish game industry with lots of world class studios (Remedy, Supercell, Rovio, etc etc) . If that's not innovative enough I don't know what is.
- gatestone 7y ago
  Yes, it is not mentioned enough. The demoscene in Finland (or the people there) pretty much created a 2 G$ dollar game industry from scratch.
roel_v 7y ago
It's very different from academic research, yes. But the demo scene produced things that were at the very limit of what computers were capable of at the time, and they were/are every bit as 'innovative' as some of the top academic research. Some of the techniques used would be top contenders at CS graphics conferences around the time they were produced. That were 'published' as executables rather than papers, but that doesn't make them less 'innovative'. That they were produced by people working on them part time doesn't make it any less innovative in my view, nor were the results worse than those produced by full timers (in academia or elsewhere).

theandrewbailey 7y ago

I was under the impression that 'intangible' means 'not physical'.

867-5309 7y ago
it does, the other definition is not an accepted definition
- rendall 7y ago
  It was a pun, I'm sure.

fsloth 7y ago

There are also lots of research centers that don't as much innovate but rather just chew through grants. Finnish Demoscene is the origin of the current Finnish game industry with lots of world class studios (Remedy, Supercell, Rovio, etc etc) . If that's not innovative enough I don't know what is.

gatestone 7y ago
Yes, it is not mentioned enough. The demoscene in Finland (or the people there) pretty much created a 2 G$ dollar game industry from scratch.

roel_v 7y ago

It's very different from academic research, yes. But the demo scene produced things that were at the very limit of what computers were capable of at the time, and they were/are every bit as 'innovative' as some of the top academic research. Some of the techniques used would be top contenders at CS graphics conferences around the time they were produced. That were 'published' as executables rather than papers, but that doesn't make them less 'innovative'. That they were produced by people working on them part time doesn't make it any less innovative in my view, nor were the results worse than those produced by full timers (in academia or elsewhere).