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In the end no one will know if it was worth it since no country went in the other direction and just lived with it. The UK tried for a bit but then reacted hars
by dx034 7y ago
In the end no one will know if it was worth it since no country went in the other direction and just lived with it. The UK tried for a bit but then reacted harshly as the situation worsened.
Maybe not doing anything would've resulted in a few months of medical chaos and not much more, maybe it would've destroyed whole societies. But the polls I'm aware of show that the majority of people is supportive of measures nearly everywhere (I'm not aware of a poll that shows the opposite). In democracies, you'd expect politicians to act if the majority and experts support it.
- praveenperera 7y agoIsn’t that exactly what Sweden is currently doing?
- techer 7y agoAnd currently backtracking on.
- jahaja 7y agoUhm, no? I can't find anything in Swedish newspapers about harsher measures.
- kitotik 7y agoA couple links to support the parent comment. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268263/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-covid-19-stefan-lofven-gathering-ban https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268263/sweden-coronavi... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8212365/Swedish-PM-tighten-coronavirus-restrictions-Austria-Denmark-begin-easing-lockdown.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8212365/Swedish-PM-...
- jahaja 7y agoBoth these are tabloids and uses "considering" & "is looking at" just below the contradictory headlines. I'm Swedish and are browsing Swedish websites. Including the Public Service svt.se.
- Ajedi32 7y agoWhat new measures are they actually imposing? Neither of those articles has anything concrete. The data both articles present for Sweden's death and infection rates also seem to suggest new measures might not be necessary (though admittedly the data seems pretty noisy; the recent drop in new deaths/infections could just be a fluke).
- ceilingcorner 7y agoSorry, I don't recall being democratically asked whether shutting down everything indefinitely was something I agreed with before it happened. Of course people will agree that it's a good idea when the media is blaring "PANDEMIC" at them 24/7.
- mehrdadn 7y ago"Of course" what? You're aware that different parts of the US have reacted very differently despite having similar national media blaring at them, right?
- ceilingcorner 7y agoI was replying to this: > But the polls I'm aware of show that the majority of people is supportive of measures nearly everywhere (I'm not aware of a poll that shows the opposite).
- dx034 7y agoYou weren't. But I'm sure pretty much all politicians got quick polls before enacting measures. That measures that strictly were enacted was only because politicians knew there wouldn't be large scale protests or riots. Now I don't want to speculate why people are in favor. Maybe because they believe experts but that usually doesn't work well.. I guess public opinion during the outbreak is also going to be a heavily researched area for years to come.
- dredmorbius 7y agoSweden is. Much of Africa will have little choice but to muddle through. We'll likely get a good idea of what the "no or low response" route looks like.
- dx034 7y agoYou're right, but I'd classify Sweden as medium response. They still have measures in place, just not as harsh. With poorer countries (which applies to most of Africa), I guess it'll take several months or years until we know what the excess death rate was. Esp. in rural communities, that data probably often won't be reported as a Covid death. Even Northern Italy had an excess death rate 2x as high as the reported deaths and they had all the attention.
- dredmorbius 7y agoSweden's decidedly more casual than other OECD / Eurozone countries. NPR were carrying a segment on it this morning. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/833623311/in-sweden-a-different-approach-to-coronavirus-control https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/833623311/in-sweden-a-differe...