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> hardly resembles the easy-to-understand language I fell in love with back in 2006. I used to love Python back in those days. Even did a big project with mult

> hardly resembles the easy-to-understand language I fell in love with back in 2006. I used to love Python back in those days. Even did a big project with multiple developers in it. Then I didn't use it for a while and came back for some easy scripting. I was absolutely horrified how complex things are right now. Ditched it and doing my scripting with node.js.

FridgeSeal 7y ago
> ditching Python on account of it being too complex > chooses NodeJS Congratulations on picking a language with even more weird pitfalls and edge cases? JS is not what I’d call a simple, straightforward language.
- koonsolo 7y ago
  I care about writing clean and simple code in an easy way. I found that the node ecosystem with npm packages allows me to do this very well. I had that same feeling in the 2.4-2.5 days of Python. But now it was really hard to find simple API's. Let me give you an example about parsing JSON. This is the Python way: json.load(fp, , cls=None, object_hook=None, parse_float=None, parse_int=None, parse_constant=None, object_pairs_hook=None, kw) Seriously, how F(&#$%@ING complex can you make the thing? This is Javascript: JSON.parse(text[, reviver]) Ah, that's the way I like it :) But hey, if you want all that argument power, no problem for me. I'm a simple programmer, liking simple things. And that was my point, Python has lost its simple ways. The JavaScript language might have some weird shit, but I don't care about that because I can stay far away from it. I care about simple programming.
  - Cpoll 7y ago
    > json.load(fp, , cls=None, object_hook=None, parse_float=None, parse_int=None, parse_constant=None, object_pairs_hook=None, kw) It looks like you copied that from https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html Those are all optional parameters, if you don't need them it's just: json.load(fp) Which, to the best of my knowledge will behave just like the JS version.
_ZeD_ 7y ago
ahahahah now you are telling me that the node ecosystem and the tooling and pre/post compilation/translation phases are simpler than python? (and I'm not talking about the languages themself)
- koonsolo 7y ago
  Compilation? I write a JS file and then do node myfile.js...
  - _ZeD_ 7y ago
    what do you call the various phases of bundling, minification, obfuscation...? or using babel to use the latest version of the spec? or the various passages of type/coffescript and whatnot... or the jsx stuff... or wasm, webassembly... ... and on and on...
    - koonsolo 7y ago
      Like I said: I write a .js file and run node. I need none of what you mention.
tcbasche 7y ago
scripting with node.js? Isn't that objectively picking the wrong tool for the job? Perhaps I'm just ignorant as to why you would use what's typically a web server for the purposes of scripting

FridgeSeal 7y ago

> ditching Python on account of it being too complex > chooses NodeJS Congratulations on picking a language with even more weird pitfalls and edge cases? JS is not what I’d call a simple, straightforward language.

koonsolo 7y ago
I care about writing clean and simple code in an easy way. I found that the node ecosystem with npm packages allows me to do this very well. I had that same feeling in the 2.4-2.5 days of Python. But now it was really hard to find simple API's. Let me give you an example about parsing JSON. This is the Python way: json.load(fp, , cls=None, object_hook=None, parse_float=None, parse_int=None, parse_constant=None, object_pairs_hook=None, kw) Seriously, how F(&#$%@ING complex can you make the thing? This is Javascript: JSON.parse(text[, reviver]) Ah, that's the way I like it :) But hey, if you want all that argument power, no problem for me. I'm a simple programmer, liking simple things. And that was my point, Python has lost its simple ways. The JavaScript language might have some weird shit, but I don't care about that because I can stay far away from it. I care about simple programming.
- Cpoll 7y ago
  > json.load(fp, , cls=None, object_hook=None, parse_float=None, parse_int=None, parse_constant=None, object_pairs_hook=None, kw) It looks like you copied that from https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html Those are all optional parameters, if you don't need them it's just: json.load(fp) Which, to the best of my knowledge will behave just like the JS version.

_ZeD_ 7y ago

ahahahah now you are telling me that the node ecosystem and the tooling and pre/post compilation/translation phases are simpler than python? (and I'm not talking about the languages themself)

koonsolo 7y ago
Compilation? I write a JS file and then do node myfile.js...
- _ZeD_ 7y ago
  what do you call the various phases of bundling, minification, obfuscation...? or using babel to use the latest version of the spec? or the various passages of type/coffescript and whatnot... or the jsx stuff... or wasm, webassembly... ... and on and on...
  - koonsolo 7y ago
    Like I said: I write a .js file and run node. I need none of what you mention.

tcbasche 7y ago

scripting with node.js? Isn't that objectively picking the wrong tool for the job? Perhaps I'm just ignorant as to why you would use what's typically a web server for the purposes of scripting