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Well, if you want to use multimedia and do web development on the same machine, what are you going to do? Linux support is somewhere between nonexistent and utt

by chx 7y ago

Well, if you want to use multimedia and do web development on the same machine, what are you going to do? Linux support is somewhere between nonexistent and utterly broken for the first one and the same can be said for the second on Windows. So your choices are, 1. run Linux primary, put Windows in a VM 2. run Windows primary and put Linux in a VM 3. Give up and just run a separate Linux server.

geerlingguy 7y ago
Or use macOS ;)
- new_time 7y ago
  The devil on the shoulder has appeared
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 7y ago
    He said macOS not FreeBSD ;)
- chx 7y ago
  I will the moment you give me a mac with a seven row keyboard and a trackpoint.
  - LeoPanthera 7y ago
    Since you did not specify a laptop, you can plug in any arbitrary USB HID to desktop Mac. (MacBooks too - though I'm sure this isn't what you meant.) Most people choose their laptops based on the OS, not on the pointing device.
    - chx 7y ago
      There are about 5000 of us who did choose a laptop for its keyboard and pointer: it's the ThinkPad 25 Anniversary Edition. I have an SK-8855 already and also ordered the new TEX Shinobi so my unwavering stance on my laptop needing a proper keyboard+pointer might change but for now my choice of weapon is the TP25.
      - zhte415 7y ago
        Unfortunately I missed that. However my T420 and X220 still perform excellently even after 9 years.
        chx 7y ago
        I also have a T420 and a T420s , the latter hacked to full HD, yes. :)
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      That’s an interesting claim to make, considering how many people love the Mac’s trackpad and non-butterfly keyboard.
theevilsharpie 7y ago
The Linux multimedia story improves significantly if you avoid Nvidia GPU hardware. My work desktop (AMD Radeon) and laptop (Intel HD Graphics) work fine, and perform as the hardware should.
- IntelMiner 7y ago
  (Unfortunately) unless you're on a laptop and use a browser. Then things like YouTube or Netflix absolutely annihilate your battery
- chx 7y ago
  Sound and bluetooth , like , works now? That wasn't my experience back then. Both of them were entire stacks of spaghetti.
  - jmiskovic 7y ago
    This seems like comment from early 2000s. I don't remember last time I head problems with BT or sound, and I went through dozen of installations in last 3 years (for me and others). I had to give up on Nvidia drivers but Intel graphics serves me great.
    - chx 7y ago
      Bluetooth broke on me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204875 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204875 2015 November https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206032 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206032 2015 December https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210685 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210685 2016 March. And these were times when I needed community help, most of the time I could get it working by pairing again or some such nonsense. It never worked reliably, in general. Note I switched to Windows as my daily driver in 2018 January. It seems sound is still a gigantic mess of PulseAudio and ALSA https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
      - 7y ago
pjmlp 7y ago
Web development on Windows has been like surfing for those of us doing Java and .NET web development, since like ever. 2006 was for me the turning point where Linux was only used via VMs or some remote box. WSL2 is just fine, I don't need to mess with VMWare any longer. And if I am not doing Linux deployments, I can do plain Windows development, like I have done since Windows 3.0. For the Linux desktop experience I have a surviving ASUS netbook.
- toyg 7y ago
  > Web development on Windows has been like surfing for those of us doing Java and .NET web development, since like ever. This similitude baffles me. Do you mean "had to wear protective equipment, had to drive constantly between locations, we were knocked over every few seconds, and we risked drowning several times"...?
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    It means riding the top wave while enjoying the Sun, hearing the cool background music coming from the loudspeakers on the beach, and feeling like a champion.
davnn 7y ago
What problems did you experience in web development on Windows? I worked with Linux, Mac and Windows, but I didn‘t have any problems on any platform with a typical modern webpack/react/angular/typescript/elm etc.. stack. Even docker support with Hyper-V is okay imho.
skrebbel 7y ago
I don't understand this sentiment. I have VS Code and a fantastic file manager (Explorer). What more do you need for web development? Most decent languages work great cross platform. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be missing. To be frank, the only think that bothers me about web dev on Windows is that the Elixir repl doesn't support "up" for editing the previous command.
robotnikman 7y ago
I've never had any issues doing web development work on Windows

by chx 7y ago

geerlingguy 7y ago

Or use macOS ;)

new_time 7y ago
The devil on the shoulder has appeared
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 7y ago
  He said macOS not FreeBSD ;)
chx 7y ago
I will the moment you give me a mac with a seven row keyboard and a trackpoint.
- LeoPanthera 7y ago
  Since you did not specify a laptop, you can plug in any arbitrary USB HID to desktop Mac. (MacBooks too - though I'm sure this isn't what you meant.) Most people choose their laptops based on the OS, not on the pointing device.
  - chx 7y ago
    There are about 5000 of us who did choose a laptop for its keyboard and pointer: it's the ThinkPad 25 Anniversary Edition. I have an SK-8855 already and also ordered the new TEX Shinobi so my unwavering stance on my laptop needing a proper keyboard+pointer might change but for now my choice of weapon is the TP25.
    - zhte415 7y ago
      Unfortunately I missed that. However my T420 and X220 still perform excellently even after 9 years.
      - chx 7y ago
        I also have a T420 and a T420s , the latter hacked to full HD, yes. :)
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    That’s an interesting claim to make, considering how many people love the Mac’s trackpad and non-butterfly keyboard.

theevilsharpie 7y ago

The Linux multimedia story improves significantly if you avoid Nvidia GPU hardware. My work desktop (AMD Radeon) and laptop (Intel HD Graphics) work fine, and perform as the hardware should.

IntelMiner 7y ago
(Unfortunately) unless you're on a laptop and use a browser. Then things like YouTube or Netflix absolutely annihilate your battery
chx 7y ago
Sound and bluetooth , like , works now? That wasn't my experience back then. Both of them were entire stacks of spaghetti.
- jmiskovic 7y ago
  This seems like comment from early 2000s. I don't remember last time I head problems with BT or sound, and I went through dozen of installations in last 3 years (for me and others). I had to give up on Nvidia drivers but Intel graphics serves me great.
  - chx 7y ago
    Bluetooth broke on me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204875 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204875 2015 November https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206032 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206032 2015 December https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210685 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210685 2016 March. And these were times when I needed community help, most of the time I could get it working by pairing again or some such nonsense. It never worked reliably, in general. Note I switched to Windows as my daily driver in 2018 January. It seems sound is still a gigantic mess of PulseAudio and ALSA https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
    - 7y ago

pjmlp 7y ago

Web development on Windows has been like surfing for those of us doing Java and .NET web development, since like ever. 2006 was for me the turning point where Linux was only used via VMs or some remote box. WSL2 is just fine, I don't need to mess with VMWare any longer. And if I am not doing Linux deployments, I can do plain Windows development, like I have done since Windows 3.0. For the Linux desktop experience I have a surviving ASUS netbook.

toyg 7y ago
> Web development on Windows has been like surfing for those of us doing Java and .NET web development, since like ever. This similitude baffles me. Do you mean "had to wear protective equipment, had to drive constantly between locations, we were knocked over every few seconds, and we risked drowning several times"...?
- pjmlp 7y ago
  It means riding the top wave while enjoying the Sun, hearing the cool background music coming from the loudspeakers on the beach, and feeling like a champion.

davnn 7y ago

What problems did you experience in web development on Windows? I worked with Linux, Mac and Windows, but I didn‘t have any problems on any platform with a typical modern webpack/react/angular/typescript/elm etc.. stack. Even docker support with Hyper-V is okay imho.

skrebbel 7y ago

I don't understand this sentiment. I have VS Code and a fantastic file manager (Explorer). What more do you need for web development? Most decent languages work great cross platform. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be missing. To be frank, the only think that bothers me about web dev on Windows is that the Elixir repl doesn't support "up" for editing the previous command.

robotnikman 7y ago

I've never had any issues doing web development work on Windows