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> It looks a lot like Apple under Tim Cook, except add another decade since there was innovative leadership (Andy Grove) Ehh this is debatable. Apple has put o

> It looks a lot like Apple under Tim Cook, except add another decade since there was innovative leadership (Andy Grove) Ehh this is debatable. Apple has put out a few products that have completely changed the market under Cook's tenure. AirPods have introduced a new head phone paradigm. Apple Watch is waaaay ahead of the competition. The iPhone X made full screen phones mainstream and introduced UI gestures that were copied by Android. Sure there have been some missteps cough butterfly keyboard cough but I’d say overall, they are still producing interesting products that define a large part of the consumer tech market

Polylactic_acid 7y ago
I'm not really sure what AirPods introduced. We had wireless headphones before. They might be the nicest ones and the most popular but I'm not sure how they created a new headphone paradime
- thebean11 7y ago
  To be fair I haven't tried too many high end wireless earbuds, but switching between the noise cancellation and transparent mode on the AirPods pro was my first "wow" moment using a piece of technology in a long time.
  - Polylactic_acid 7y ago
    Thats a feature that is available on most high end headphones. I get that the airpods might be quite refined but they are nothing brand new.
    - thebean11 7y ago
      The transparent mode is? That's definitely (good) news to me, I have an android phone so I'd like to avoid airpods
- SparkleBunny 7y ago
  Latency! Lack thereof, actually. I bought an Ipad just to be able to use them. My second Apple product. The first was a Macintosh SE. That says something.
mntmoss 7y ago
What I think Cook misses that Jobs got, and made for more exciting releases, is the idea of a totally integrated service. The iPod's victory was also a victory for iTunes. The iPhone was also the App Store. And when Jobs left, those kinds of distinct pairings did too. They are hard to concieve of, and to execute on. In contrast, the AirPods and Apple Watch are more straightforward "make 'em smaller" incremental moves. The engineering work is leading in many respects, but it doesn't upend a market. And Intel does have a history that was like Apple's in parts. A big part of their advantage as the PC market heated up was in marketing an entire nomenclature of what the platform could be and to provide comprehensive path-of-least-resistance solutions around that, ensuring that the industry fell in line around their technical lead rather than IBM or some competitor. Those bones are still there in parts of the company - Intel chipsets are pretty well regarded for dependability(seeing Windows crash because of Intel drivers is a very rare event) and they've been good at getting the corporate office to standardize on them - but increasingly the platform is getting defined around mobile and server needs, which are a more competitive space generally. Intel doesn't get to call the shots on 5G, for example - and huge data center customers are in the business of optimizing the system end-to-end to provide the most efficient general computing resource possible; everything they touch commoditizes, and they will put their foot down if they smell enterprise contract crap.
- dannyw 7y ago
  I think you're simplifying the AirPods and Apple Watch; while glamorising other Apple products. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player. It was a MP3 player that worked well. The iPhone was actually not the first smartphone; it was the first smartphone that worked well thanks to its multitouch screen. Do you remember the first generation iPad? I owned it, and let me tell you. It was, almost literally, 9 iPhones stuck together. The AirPods is more than just make it smaller. People praise its convenience, and its innovation is in skipping the cumbersome bluetooth pairing process.
  - sudosysgen 7y ago
    To be fair, how often do people pair their headphones? I think I paired my headphones only twice in the past month, and that took about 45 seconds.
paulie_a 7y ago
Honestly what paradigm did the airpods create/shift?
- 72deluxe 7y ago
  Seeing lots of people with wireless headphones and another device to charge at the end of the day??
- DeathArrow 7y ago
  Disabling the use of cheap wired headphones which also doesn't need charging?
  - paulie_a 6y ago
    That was pre apple. They biggest contribution apple made was making them white and a status symbol for yuppies
NicoJuicy 7y ago
Airpods by Dr. Dre So much that got copied from Android in the meantime, the innovation of the iPhone is a long time ago :) I have never seen someone use UI gestures. Not sure what he is doing, but the only thing I see is updating iPhone and raising the price. In the meantime, losing market share in their most important market. I'm pretty sure iPhones market share will sharply drop way with the current Covid situation worldwide. Not a good position while trying to get people onboard the digital services. As will the expensive gadgets.

Polylactic_acid 7y ago

I'm not really sure what AirPods introduced. We had wireless headphones before. They might be the nicest ones and the most popular but I'm not sure how they created a new headphone paradime

thebean11 7y ago
To be fair I haven't tried too many high end wireless earbuds, but switching between the noise cancellation and transparent mode on the AirPods pro was my first "wow" moment using a piece of technology in a long time.
- Polylactic_acid 7y ago
  Thats a feature that is available on most high end headphones. I get that the airpods might be quite refined but they are nothing brand new.
  - thebean11 7y ago
    The transparent mode is? That's definitely (good) news to me, I have an android phone so I'd like to avoid airpods
SparkleBunny 7y ago
Latency! Lack thereof, actually. I bought an Ipad just to be able to use them. My second Apple product. The first was a Macintosh SE. That says something.

mntmoss 7y ago

What I think Cook misses that Jobs got, and made for more exciting releases, is the idea of a totally integrated service. The iPod's victory was also a victory for iTunes. The iPhone was also the App Store. And when Jobs left, those kinds of distinct pairings did too. They are hard to concieve of, and to execute on. In contrast, the AirPods and Apple Watch are more straightforward "make 'em smaller" incremental moves. The engineering work is leading in many respects, but it doesn't upend a market. And Intel does have a history that was like Apple's in parts. A big part of their advantage as the PC market heated up was in marketing an entire nomenclature of what the platform could be and to provide comprehensive path-of-least-resistance solutions around that, ensuring that the industry fell in line around their technical lead rather than IBM or some competitor. Those bones are still there in parts of the company - Intel chipsets are pretty well regarded for dependability(seeing Windows crash because of Intel drivers is a very rare event) and they've been good at getting the corporate office to standardize on them - but increasingly the platform is getting defined around mobile and server needs, which are a more competitive space generally. Intel doesn't get to call the shots on 5G, for example - and huge data center customers are in the business of optimizing the system end-to-end to provide the most efficient general computing resource possible; everything they touch commoditizes, and they will put their foot down if they smell enterprise contract crap.

dannyw 7y ago
I think you're simplifying the AirPods and Apple Watch; while glamorising other Apple products. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player. It was a MP3 player that worked well. The iPhone was actually not the first smartphone; it was the first smartphone that worked well thanks to its multitouch screen. Do you remember the first generation iPad? I owned it, and let me tell you. It was, almost literally, 9 iPhones stuck together. The AirPods is more than just make it smaller. People praise its convenience, and its innovation is in skipping the cumbersome bluetooth pairing process.
- sudosysgen 7y ago
  To be fair, how often do people pair their headphones? I think I paired my headphones only twice in the past month, and that took about 45 seconds.

paulie_a 7y ago

Honestly what paradigm did the airpods create/shift?

72deluxe 7y ago
Seeing lots of people with wireless headphones and another device to charge at the end of the day??
DeathArrow 7y ago
Disabling the use of cheap wired headphones which also doesn't need charging?
- paulie_a 6y ago
  That was pre apple. They biggest contribution apple made was making them white and a status symbol for yuppies

NicoJuicy 7y ago

Airpods by Dr. Dre So much that got copied from Android in the meantime, the innovation of the iPhone is a long time ago :) I have never seen someone use UI gestures. Not sure what he is doing, but the only thing I see is updating iPhone and raising the price. In the meantime, losing market share in their most important market. I'm pretty sure iPhones market share will sharply drop way with the current Covid situation worldwide. Not a good position while trying to get people onboard the digital services. As will the expensive gadgets.