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I thought I read a few months ago that Intel still does well in the video editing space (especially with 4k), because their chips have onboard decoding hardware

by notJim 7y ago

I thought I read a few months ago that Intel still does well in the video editing space (especially with 4k), because their chips have onboard decoding hardware. Is this still true?

wmf 7y ago
Discrete GPUs have the same hardware although there may be some driver pickiness with certain apps.
- notJim 7y ago
  Premiere Pro apparently doesn't use the GPU for h.264/5, so sadly if you want that, you have to use an Intel CPU: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems...
  - xxpor 7y ago
    My understanding is that GPU rendering for h26{4,5} is a lot faster, but the image quality is nowhere close to CPU based rendering. Given that Premiere Pro isn't in the business of real time rendering or transcoding, the business case isn't there for full rendering support. If you really need the speed, maybe render into a fast but large lossless format, then use ffmpeg gpu transcoding?
    - kllrnohj 7y ago
      It's not that Premiere Pro cares about image quality above all else, because it does use GPU-accelerated decoding. It's that Premiere only uses Intel's integrated GPU for decoding and not with Nvidia's or AMD's GPU decoder. Quick Sync's quality is worse than NVENC's these days so it's likely more along the lines of Intel contributed the patches than Adobe not wanting it out of purity reasons.
      - xxpor 7y ago
        Does premiere pro have its own encoders or do they just shell out to ffmpeg or something?
  - anchpop 7y ago
    That's true, but turning on hardware encoding didn't make a big difference in encoding times for me. I'm planning on upgrading to a Ryzen 9 3900X to make everything else smoother
wtallis 7y ago
Intel's mainstream consumer CPUs have integrated graphics that includes video transcoding. Their server platforms don't have that, and neither do the workstation and high-end desktop processors based on the same silicon. Or to put it another way: if the CPU offers more than one 16-lane PCIe link, it doesn't have integrated graphics. AMD's platforms are similarly split, except that their mainstream desktop processors with integrated graphics are lagging behind the CPU-only processors by a generation.
plasticchris 7y ago
Benchmarks have shown AMD outperforming this dedicated hardware through brute force. They simply have enough spare cores to run it faster in software.

by notJim 7y ago

I thought I read a few months ago that Intel still does well in the video editing space (especially with 4k), because their chips have onboard decoding hardware. Is this still true?

wmf 7y ago

Discrete GPUs have the same hardware although there may be some driver pickiness with certain apps.

notJim 7y ago
Premiere Pro apparently doesn't use the GPU for h.264/5, so sadly if you want that, you have to use an Intel CPU: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems...
- xxpor 7y ago
  My understanding is that GPU rendering for h26{4,5} is a lot faster, but the image quality is nowhere close to CPU based rendering. Given that Premiere Pro isn't in the business of real time rendering or transcoding, the business case isn't there for full rendering support. If you really need the speed, maybe render into a fast but large lossless format, then use ffmpeg gpu transcoding?
  - kllrnohj 7y ago
    It's not that Premiere Pro cares about image quality above all else, because it does use GPU-accelerated decoding. It's that Premiere only uses Intel's integrated GPU for decoding and not with Nvidia's or AMD's GPU decoder. Quick Sync's quality is worse than NVENC's these days so it's likely more along the lines of Intel contributed the patches than Adobe not wanting it out of purity reasons.
    - xxpor 7y ago
      Does premiere pro have its own encoders or do they just shell out to ffmpeg or something?
- anchpop 7y ago
  That's true, but turning on hardware encoding didn't make a big difference in encoding times for me. I'm planning on upgrading to a Ryzen 9 3900X to make everything else smoother

wtallis 7y ago

Intel's mainstream consumer CPUs have integrated graphics that includes video transcoding. Their server platforms don't have that, and neither do the workstation and high-end desktop processors based on the same silicon. Or to put it another way: if the CPU offers more than one 16-lane PCIe link, it doesn't have integrated graphics. AMD's platforms are similarly split, except that their mainstream desktop processors with integrated graphics are lagging behind the CPU-only processors by a generation.

plasticchris 7y ago

Benchmarks have shown AMD outperforming this dedicated hardware through brute force. They simply have enough spare cores to run it faster in software.