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I've been there. Once you start thinking to yourself that there is no long term future ahead of you, the kind of choices you make becomes almost like a sick jok

I've been there. Once you start thinking to yourself that there is no long term future ahead of you, the kind of choices you make becomes almost like a sick joke. Buy some fruit and vegetables to eat so that you can feel nourished and live a long life, or eat some feel good salty sugar loaded fast food because you have no fucking future anyway? Study and gain employable skills or play video games right now because you're going to die homeless next month after you can no longer pay rent due to a pandemic?

mrscottson 7y ago
I know you are using your experience as an example...but I think with real poverty, you probably wouldnt know much about nutrition and neither would your parents...with enough caloric difficiency and without proper nutrition, much of the decision making/studying/long-term-planning abilities degrade quite rapidly.
- Ghjklov 7y ago
  That's the thing. I was pretty self-aware and I still made those choices. Imagine how much worse it is for people who don't even know what they're doing to themselves. They'll just keep pushing on ahead while their mind and body deteriorates.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    Those choices are pretty hard - modern junk food has been engineered to reinforce unhealthy consumption, the US (mostly) dictates international laws around junk food restriction[1] and it's exporting the terrible free-market approach to food choice. Some of these junk foods should be heavily taxed or just outright illegal. 1. Here's coke being terrible https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coca-cola-fought-regulation-around-the-world-to-keep-advertising-to-kids-according-to-hacked-emails-2016-10-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coca-cola-fought-regulatio... and there are some other wonderful examples around tobacco use in south east asia.
jlawson 7y ago
>you're going to die homeless next month Help me understand how someone could believe something along these lines for more-or-less their entire life. The fact is that poor people live long lives of many decades; they observe others around them just like them living many decades. There's nothing close to a rational reason to discount the future that hard. How does one end up believing that every month is their last when it clearly isn't? I know people who are persistently poor act like they believe it, but I didn't think they literally consciously thought it was true.
- staplers 7y ago
  Humans are not immune to inertia.
  - ptry-line 7y ago
    Well said.
- Ghjklov 7y ago
  People don't believe they'll literally drop dead next month. But they believe they'll get kicked out of their apartment if they can't pay rent. If that happens, they might end up losing their job after not being able to show up for a few days in order to find a new place if that's even possible. Being poor is miserable. You know how you might lament that due to your full time job you have so little time to spend on your interests and hobbies? Likewise, poor people have very little time or the mental bandwidth to think about doing things that only pay off in the long term. They're focused on surviving to next month. So they spend money on groceries instead of on coding lessons or something which won't get them a better job any time soon. They're probably right anyway. What's the point of learning to code when companies wouldn't hire them in a million years instead of a college graduate or someone with previous experience in the field. So you can imagine how many people are condemned to forever working food service jobs or other such work.
  - jlawson 6y ago
    I guess it just doesn't check out with me. I've been around poor people. I've lived with them. I'm sure some of them are working constantly (probably more the ones with kids, which they shouldn't have had in the first place), but generally they don't seem to be particularly busy. Most of them, if they wanted to sit down and start learning web tech from online tutorials (or improve their future in any other way), had the time and resources. They were just not interested. Even things that would save time like 'stop smoking pot 7 days a week' - just nope.

mrscottson 7y ago

I know you are using your experience as an example...but I think with real poverty, you probably wouldnt know much about nutrition and neither would your parents...with enough caloric difficiency and without proper nutrition, much of the decision making/studying/long-term-planning abilities degrade quite rapidly.

Ghjklov 7y ago
That's the thing. I was pretty self-aware and I still made those choices. Imagine how much worse it is for people who don't even know what they're doing to themselves. They'll just keep pushing on ahead while their mind and body deteriorates.
- munk-a 7y ago
  Those choices are pretty hard - modern junk food has been engineered to reinforce unhealthy consumption, the US (mostly) dictates international laws around junk food restriction[1] and it's exporting the terrible free-market approach to food choice. Some of these junk foods should be heavily taxed or just outright illegal. 1. Here's coke being terrible https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coca-cola-fought-regulation-around-the-world-to-keep-advertising-to-kids-according-to-hacked-emails-2016-10-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coca-cola-fought-regulatio... and there are some other wonderful examples around tobacco use in south east asia.

jlawson 7y ago

>you're going to die homeless next month Help me understand how someone could believe something along these lines for more-or-less their entire life. The fact is that poor people live long lives of many decades; they observe others around them just like them living many decades. There's nothing close to a rational reason to discount the future that hard. How does one end up believing that every month is their last when it clearly isn't? I know people who are persistently poor act like they believe it, but I didn't think they literally consciously thought it was true.

staplers 7y ago
Humans are not immune to inertia.
- ptry-line 7y ago
  Well said.
Ghjklov 7y ago
People don't believe they'll literally drop dead next month. But they believe they'll get kicked out of their apartment if they can't pay rent. If that happens, they might end up losing their job after not being able to show up for a few days in order to find a new place if that's even possible. Being poor is miserable. You know how you might lament that due to your full time job you have so little time to spend on your interests and hobbies? Likewise, poor people have very little time or the mental bandwidth to think about doing things that only pay off in the long term. They're focused on surviving to next month. So they spend money on groceries instead of on coding lessons or something which won't get them a better job any time soon. They're probably right anyway. What's the point of learning to code when companies wouldn't hire them in a million years instead of a college graduate or someone with previous experience in the field. So you can imagine how many people are condemned to forever working food service jobs or other such work.
- jlawson 6y ago
  I guess it just doesn't check out with me. I've been around poor people. I've lived with them. I'm sure some of them are working constantly (probably more the ones with kids, which they shouldn't have had in the first place), but generally they don't seem to be particularly busy. Most of them, if they wanted to sit down and start learning web tech from online tutorials (or improve their future in any other way), had the time and resources. They were just not interested. Even things that would save time like 'stop smoking pot 7 days a week' - just nope.