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Am I missing something? I don't see any kind of roadmap in here - it's just 6 generic talking points without any actual plan or timeline.

ABeeSea 7y ago
He said during the press conference that exact dates might be available in two-four weeks. He wants to see a further reduction in hospitalizations, an increase in testing, and a supply chain for PPE before committing to reopening dates.
- mdorazio 7y ago
  Ok, thanks for the additional context. Was there any mention of actual targets for these things? Ex. "I'd like to see a 10% reduction of hospitalizations and at least 1M tests."
  - wbl 7y ago
    Why would there be? If something goes really wrong in one of those pushing it off a goal is going to be a problem.
    - mdorazio 7y ago
      Because without those things it's not a real plan. Anyone can say "we'll change policies when things get better". Defining what "better" means is the actual challenge and exactly what people as a whole are looking for.
      - icelancer 7y ago
        They'd have to take responsibility for real metrics and a way to measure their performance. That's not going to happen at the government level.
      - clsec 7y ago
        Newsom said he was giving this information to the public in the interest of disclosure. He wants the public to know what they're doing behind the scenes. He said it was just what they've been talking about, not a plan. He stated that any of this could change at a moments notice and to keep on doing what CA residents are doing because we do seem to be plateauing a bit.
- ravenstine 7y ago
  > He said during the press conference that exact dates might be available in two-four weeks. That's incredibly vague. Almost worthless, given that they already extended the order by another month at the last minute.
- jmckib 7y ago
  Is there a video of the press conference somewhere? It's hard to make sense of these slides without any context.
  - clsec 7y ago
    here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06YK2SExixo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06YK2SExixo
HarryHirsch 7y ago
Can't have antibody testing to determine who is immune and can get back to work, can't have antigen testing to know who needs to quarantine, can't have government support for those who are off work because of quarantine, can't have support for undocumented workers who make up a good proportion of the workforce in some industries. Not going to work.
mturmon 7y ago
I think part of the point is that the clock does not determine when we can start to relax quarantine, it's our readiness/ability to detect and tamp down breakouts.
icelancer 7y ago
It notably does not present any sort of figures, expectations, statistics, or mathematics. No one wants to take responsibility. They'd rather have nebulous goalposts they can shift whenever they like. Hell, it's worked so far in convincing people mathematical models don't need to be accurate anymore - you have people in the streets defending embarrassingly poor epidemiological models.
- anewhope 7y ago
  I’m not into politics but as a person this is not good leadership. These people are not sharing in the sacrifices they demand. Ante up if you’re going to play with people’s lives and livelihoods to this extent.

ABeeSea 7y ago

He said during the press conference that exact dates might be available in two-four weeks. He wants to see a further reduction in hospitalizations, an increase in testing, and a supply chain for PPE before committing to reopening dates.

mdorazio 7y ago
Ok, thanks for the additional context. Was there any mention of actual targets for these things? Ex. "I'd like to see a 10% reduction of hospitalizations and at least 1M tests."
- wbl 7y ago
  Why would there be? If something goes really wrong in one of those pushing it off a goal is going to be a problem.
  - mdorazio 7y ago
    Because without those things it's not a real plan. Anyone can say "we'll change policies when things get better". Defining what "better" means is the actual challenge and exactly what people as a whole are looking for.
    - icelancer 7y ago
      They'd have to take responsibility for real metrics and a way to measure their performance. That's not going to happen at the government level.
    - clsec 7y ago
      Newsom said he was giving this information to the public in the interest of disclosure. He wants the public to know what they're doing behind the scenes. He said it was just what they've been talking about, not a plan. He stated that any of this could change at a moments notice and to keep on doing what CA residents are doing because we do seem to be plateauing a bit.
ravenstine 7y ago
> He said during the press conference that exact dates might be available in two-four weeks. That's incredibly vague. Almost worthless, given that they already extended the order by another month at the last minute.
jmckib 7y ago
Is there a video of the press conference somewhere? It's hard to make sense of these slides without any context.
- clsec 7y ago
  here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06YK2SExixo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06YK2SExixo

HarryHirsch 7y ago

Can't have antibody testing to determine who is immune and can get back to work, can't have antigen testing to know who needs to quarantine, can't have government support for those who are off work because of quarantine, can't have support for undocumented workers who make up a good proportion of the workforce in some industries. Not going to work.

mturmon 7y ago

I think part of the point is that the clock does not determine when we can start to relax quarantine, it's our readiness/ability to detect and tamp down breakouts.

icelancer 7y ago

It notably does not present any sort of figures, expectations, statistics, or mathematics. No one wants to take responsibility. They'd rather have nebulous goalposts they can shift whenever they like. Hell, it's worked so far in convincing people mathematical models don't need to be accurate anymore - you have people in the streets defending embarrassingly poor epidemiological models.

anewhope 7y ago
I’m not into politics but as a person this is not good leadership. These people are not sharing in the sacrifices they demand. Ante up if you’re going to play with people’s lives and livelihoods to this extent.