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> We need to minimize all deaths, not just deaths from the virus The recent events lead me to believe that it is not what countries are doing. Even WHO posted

by antpls 7y ago

> We need to minimize all deaths, not just deaths from the virus The recent events lead me to believe that it is not what countries are doing. Even WHO posted a figure in 2019 of 8 millions of deaths per year from Tabacco. The covid19 will not reach that level anytime soon, yet every country in the world accepted a major economy self-sacrifice to "save" people from covid19. How to explain that?

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
People choose to smoke. Nobody chooses Covid-19. (Yes, I know, people are in different cultures, and some of those cultures promote smoking while others discourage it. Still, smoking isn't an infection. You don't catch it from people around you, other than second-hand smoke.) More: People smoked. The people who die from smoking this year are for the most part not dying from this year's smoke. They're dying from smoke from 20 or 30 years ago (or perhaps from 20 or 30 years of cumulative smoke). Even more: They're already trying pretty hard to get people to stop smoking. And yet one more: There are 8 billion people in the world. If we don't stop Covid-19, maybe 30% of the world's population is going to get it this year, or maybe next. Of those, maybe 1% to 3% are going to die. That's 24 to 72 million people. That's why Covid-19 gets a bigger push than tobacco.
perl4ever 7y ago
I don't understand what you are saying. If deaths from covid continued at the current rate without increasing, then there would be about 2 million by the end of the year, about 1/4th of your number for tobacco. But if people didn't take drastic action, do you think it would not double at least twice more? That's only two weeks of 10% growth per day. And where would it stop?
- antpls 7y ago
  My theory is : no matter the lockdown, the virus will always be there (it will come back) and people who would die from it will die from it anyway, but due to the lockdown they just won't die all at same time. If they won't die from covid19, they will die from another flu or another complication. The lockdown only buys them time so a vaccine can be developed specifically for covid19 How much economy (including lives that depend on the economy) are we willing to sacrifice to save 0.001% of the world population.... ? I'm sorry but all of this doesn't make sense in regards to the "effort" made to save elderlies in the past.

by antpls 7y ago

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

People choose to smoke. Nobody chooses Covid-19. (Yes, I know, people are in different cultures, and some of those cultures promote smoking while others discourage it. Still, smoking isn't an infection. You don't catch it from people around you, other than second-hand smoke.) More: People smoked. The people who die from smoking this year are for the most part not dying from this year's smoke. They're dying from smoke from 20 or 30 years ago (or perhaps from 20 or 30 years of cumulative smoke). Even more: They're already trying pretty hard to get people to stop smoking. And yet one more: There are 8 billion people in the world. If we don't stop Covid-19, maybe 30% of the world's population is going to get it this year, or maybe next. Of those, maybe 1% to 3% are going to die. That's 24 to 72 million people. That's why Covid-19 gets a bigger push than tobacco.

perl4ever 7y ago

I don't understand what you are saying. If deaths from covid continued at the current rate without increasing, then there would be about 2 million by the end of the year, about 1/4th of your number for tobacco. But if people didn't take drastic action, do you think it would not double at least twice more? That's only two weeks of 10% growth per day. And where would it stop?

antpls 7y ago
My theory is : no matter the lockdown, the virus will always be there (it will come back) and people who would die from it will die from it anyway, but due to the lockdown they just won't die all at same time. If they won't die from covid19, they will die from another flu or another complication. The lockdown only buys them time so a vaccine can be developed specifically for covid19 How much economy (including lives that depend on the economy) are we willing to sacrifice to save 0.001% of the world population.... ? I'm sorry but all of this doesn't make sense in regards to the "effort" made to save elderlies in the past.