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So Germany, which is right next door to the Netherlands/France/Italy, is experiencing no excess mortality. What did they do right and how can we have some of th
by Leary 7y ago
So Germany, which is right next door to the Netherlands/France/Italy, is experiencing no excess mortality. What did they do right and how can we have some of that.
- sveme 7y agoWe don‘t talk to our grandparents anymore.
- splitrocket 7y agoListen to experts, have highly competent leadership, run a coordinated response. Incompetency kills.
- mc32 7y agoI don’t think that explains the whole situation, or at least I don’t believe that all but Germany have incompetent leaders, have bad experts, and lack coördination.
- 101404 7y agoYep, that's the story the media here tells. Of course. "We are so exceptional, we Germans." In reality, we had just four times more ventilators available than any of the larger countries around us, so we never hit the "no treatment possible" situation.
- zzzcpan 7y agoNo, that can't be it. Ventilators is a last resort kind of measure, most people under ventilators die either way, so they can't affect numbers much. I suspect Germany is just testing more and earlier than others.
- 101404 7y agoNo idea where you got that information. Testing in Germany started very late, but was then increased rapidly. As of today, Germany has done 1,317,887 tests. The US: 3,029,979 tests, Italy: 1,073,689 tests. (Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) So not exceptionally more than others.
- SiempreViernes 7y agoTesting wouldn't really affect the sort of excess mortality numbers this site reports.
- adrianN 7y agoThe response wasn't very coordinated in the beginning, but we were lucky enough to start a lockdown in a timely fashion. So far we also managed to keep the disease mostly away from the most vulnerable groups.
- 101404 7y agoWe were mostly lucky to have about four times as many ventilators as France or Italy. The numbers I read in two different sources: Germany has about 20,000 ventilator places, while France, Italy, Spain, and UK have about 5,000 each. So in Germany, we didn't hit the "no more ventilators" situation and people didn't die. Edit: Here a recent article confirming it: "Germany still has 10,000 free ICU beds" (in German: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/coronavirus-in-deutschland-10-000-intensivbetten-laut-spahn-noch-frei/25729386.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/coronavirus-in-deutschla...) Edit 2: Pretty sick, considering that in Italy and France thousands are dying because there are no ICU beds, and here in Germany they are just empty and unused.
- dempseye 7y agoIt's a funny kind of luck that requires planning and investment over many years.
- 101404 7y agoNot really. Its just a number in the books. Whoever made that decision decades ago, got it right, luckily. But that's about it. Had this virus affected the kidneys instead of the lungs, the outcome would have been way different. Also, over the last week, mortality has been increasing here as well. So better "den Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben".
- smacktoward 7y ago> Had this virus affected the kidneys instead of the lungs, the outcome would have been way different. And if my aunt had wheels and pedals, she'd be a bicycle. They didn't stock up on ventilators by throwing darts at a dartboard to choose what type of medical equipment to buy. They stocked up on ventilators because a pandemic centering on a respiratory illness was statistically much more likely to occur than one centering on the kidneys.
- 101404 7y ago> And if my aunt had wheels and pedals, she'd be a bicycle. But that would not make your aunt a deadly virus, would it? > statistically much more likely Maybe. Just like the US did. Or maybe it was some other reason. I believe you don't have any source?
- capableweb 7y agoPlease correct me if I'm wrong but most of Germany is highlighted as "No data", at least in this map.
- ohlookabird 7y agoWhat score do you see? Germany is marked as "No data" for me.