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It's not a matter of left and right. The Italian government is allegedly markedly left, and locked a lot of people in their homes with two administrative acts

It's not a matter of left and right. The Italian government is allegedly markedly left, and locked a lot of people in their homes with two administrative acts (no action from the Parliament for many weeks), has made a government commission against fake news on the epidemic (with outside journalists, but it still smells like a Ministry of Truth), and is using quite a bit of pressure to keep people in their homes (nothing violent, but a presence and controls by the police far higher than normal). Regional governments of any sides are following up in the same manner up to threatening arrest if you are walking out if you don't have a documented reason. Oh, and the Parliament is essentially shut down, and so the judicial system for the most part: everyone is too afraid of death. Also the way they address Italians, like parents scolding children, is unbearable. The population is made up of citizens, not loyal subjects. Simply put, as far as I can see the current pandemic has brought out the worst authoritarianism from all political sides.

nabla9 7y ago
> like parents scolding children, is unbearable. The population is made up of citizens, not loyal subjects. Populations are made of children citizens. Italy voted Berlusconi into power multiple times. I'm strong supporter democracy but the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water. You need the mechanisms of liberal democracy and institutional processes for any resemblance of rationality to emerge from democratic process. Democracy is inherently dangerous.
- luckylion 7y ago
  Isn't that just a fancy way to say "you need experts to make the decisions and the populace to believe they are in charge"?
- lbeltrame 7y ago
  > I'm strong supporter democracy but the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water. People are indeed capable of acting irrationally. But they're still citizens and not subjects of the government, which is still accountable to them (for the good and the bad), or should be, at least. This specific government acts in bad faith, far more than what can be considered tolerable (and the meaning for the choices made is lost completely).
- pdonis 7y ago
  > the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water Speak for yourself.

nabla9 7y ago

> like parents scolding children, is unbearable. The population is made up of citizens, not loyal subjects. Populations are made of children citizens. Italy voted Berlusconi into power multiple times. I'm strong supporter democracy but the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water. You need the mechanisms of liberal democracy and institutional processes for any resemblance of rationality to emerge from democratic process. Democracy is inherently dangerous.

luckylion 7y ago
Isn't that just a fancy way to say "you need experts to make the decisions and the populace to believe they are in charge"?
lbeltrame 7y ago
> I'm strong supporter democracy but the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water. People are indeed capable of acting irrationally. But they're still citizens and not subjects of the government, which is still accountable to them (for the good and the bad), or should be, at least. This specific government acts in bad faith, far more than what can be considered tolerable (and the meaning for the choices made is lost completely).
pdonis 7y ago
> the idea that voters are "adults" does not hold water Speak for yourself.