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> Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Not really true. Here's data from the UK ICUs. Pa

by DanBC 7y ago

> Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Not really true. Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 And here's the numbers of people dying or being discharged from critical care alive. BMI <25 54% discharged alive 46% dead 25-<30 50% discharged alive 49% dead 30-<40 46% discharged alive 54% dead 40+ 43% discharged alive 56% dead Risk increases with BMI, but it's simply wrong to say that the only people dying are obese. https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31...

nzhkr 7y ago
> Not really true. > Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. > Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 Your data kind of proves the point which the OG has made that 70% of patients are overweight though. A BMI > 25 is overweight. When I look at the table which you have posten then I calculate that ~73% of patients in ICU in the UK are overweight indeed then. There is 35.04% of patients with a BMI > 25, another 31.33% of patients with a BMI > 30 and 7.2% of patients with a BMI of > 40. Either I don't understand the data which you have posted or you didnt?
- DanBC 7y ago
  I guess it depends what someone means when they say "very overweight". To me that doesn't just mean "overweight", it means "obese".
- saalweachter 7y ago
  You're neglecting to consider the rates of obesity in the general population. 29% of adults in the UK are obese (BMI > 30) and another 36% are overweight (25 < BMI < 30).[1] So the pattern you see above is really just "people hospitalized for COVID-19 have roughly the same distribution of weights as the general population". There's a little bit of correlation with the obese being a little more likely to be hospitalized, but I'm not sure that pattern holds up if you correct for age. In any case, it's not nearly that exciting or strong of a correlation, to let you guess who is going to die. [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03...

by DanBC 7y ago

nzhkr 7y ago

> Not really true. > Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. > Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 Your data kind of proves the point which the OG has made that 70% of patients are overweight though. A BMI > 25 is overweight. When I look at the table which you have posten then I calculate that ~73% of patients in ICU in the UK are overweight indeed then. There is 35.04% of patients with a BMI > 25, another 31.33% of patients with a BMI > 30 and 7.2% of patients with a BMI of > 40. Either I don't understand the data which you have posted or you didnt?

DanBC 7y ago
I guess it depends what someone means when they say "very overweight". To me that doesn't just mean "overweight", it means "obese".
saalweachter 7y ago
You're neglecting to consider the rates of obesity in the general population. 29% of adults in the UK are obese (BMI > 30) and another 36% are overweight (25 < BMI < 30).[1] So the pattern you see above is really just "people hospitalized for COVID-19 have roughly the same distribution of weights as the general population". There's a little bit of correlation with the obese being a little more likely to be hospitalized, but I'm not sure that pattern holds up if you correct for age. In any case, it's not nearly that exciting or strong of a correlation, to let you guess who is going to die. [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03...