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> There's only two types of people who die from it: > - People with a pre-existing health condition > - People with a pre-existing health condition who don't

> There's only two types of people who die from it: > - People with a pre-existing health condition > - People with a pre-existing health condition who don't know about it yet because no doctor has diagnosed it yet This is the kind of shit I expect from Facebook comments, I'm frankly flabbergasted to see someone making that kind of stupid assertion here.

dustinmoris 7y ago
It is true though. Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Just being fat itself puts a huge strain on your health, you're more likely to get a lot of illnesses with age and a lot of these patients probably should be taking already medication in order to prevent a heart attack or other issues coming up and the only reason why some of them are currently "without an existing health condition" is because they didn't go to their GP yet who took some blood samples and decided that they are a risk group who should start making some lifestyle changes. Like it or not, but I'm not going to sugar coat the reality of the situation because I might hurt some obese person's feelings.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Not really true. Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 And here's the numbers of people dying or being discharged from critical care alive. BMI <25 54% discharged alive 46% dead 25-<30 50% discharged alive 49% dead 30-<40 46% discharged alive 54% dead 40+ 43% discharged alive 56% dead Risk increases with BMI, but it's simply wrong to say that the only people dying are obese. https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31...
  - nzhkr 7y ago
    > Not really true. > Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. > Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 Your data kind of proves the point which the OG has made that 70% of patients are overweight though. A BMI > 25 is overweight. When I look at the table which you have posten then I calculate that ~73% of patients in ICU in the UK are overweight indeed then. There is 35.04% of patients with a BMI > 25, another 31.33% of patients with a BMI > 30 and 7.2% of patients with a BMI of > 40. Either I don't understand the data which you have posted or you didnt?
    - DanBC 7y ago
      I guess it depends what someone means when they say "very overweight". To me that doesn't just mean "overweight", it means "obese".
    - saalweachter 7y ago
      You're neglecting to consider the rates of obesity in the general population. 29% of adults in the UK are obese (BMI > 30) and another 36% are overweight (25 < BMI < 30).[1] So the pattern you see above is really just "people hospitalized for COVID-19 have roughly the same distribution of weights as the general population". There's a little bit of correlation with the obese being a little more likely to be hospitalized, but I'm not sure that pattern holds up if you correct for age. In any case, it's not nearly that exciting or strong of a correlation, to let you guess who is going to die. [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03...

dustinmoris 7y ago

It is true though. Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Just being fat itself puts a huge strain on your health, you're more likely to get a lot of illnesses with age and a lot of these patients probably should be taking already medication in order to prevent a heart attack or other issues coming up and the only reason why some of them are currently "without an existing health condition" is because they didn't go to their GP yet who took some blood samples and decided that they are a risk group who should start making some lifestyle changes. Like it or not, but I'm not going to sugar coat the reality of the situation because I might hurt some obese person's feelings.

DanBC 7y ago
> Where we live 70% of the COVID-19 patients which are currently in intensive care are very overweight men. Not really true. Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 And here's the numbers of people dying or being discharged from critical care alive. BMI <25 54% discharged alive 46% dead 25-<30 50% discharged alive 49% dead 30-<40 46% discharged alive 54% dead 40+ 43% discharged alive 56% dead Risk increases with BMI, but it's simply wrong to say that the only people dying are obese. https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31...
- nzhkr 7y ago
  > Not really true. > Here's data from the UK ICUs. Page 15 shows BMI. > Here are the numbers of people by BMI. First column is BMI, second column is the percentage of people in ICU. BMI COVID-19 <18.5 0.64 18.5 to <25 25.79 25 to <30 35.04 30 to <40 31.33 40+ 7.20 Your data kind of proves the point which the OG has made that 70% of patients are overweight though. A BMI > 25 is overweight. When I look at the table which you have posten then I calculate that ~73% of patients in ICU in the UK are overweight indeed then. There is 35.04% of patients with a BMI > 25, another 31.33% of patients with a BMI > 30 and 7.2% of patients with a BMI of > 40. Either I don't understand the data which you have posted or you didnt?
  - DanBC 7y ago
    I guess it depends what someone means when they say "very overweight". To me that doesn't just mean "overweight", it means "obese".
  - saalweachter 7y ago
    You're neglecting to consider the rates of obesity in the general population. 29% of adults in the UK are obese (BMI > 30) and another 36% are overweight (25 < BMI < 30).[1] So the pattern you see above is really just "people hospitalized for COVID-19 have roughly the same distribution of weights as the general population". There's a little bit of correlation with the obese being a little more likely to be hospitalized, but I'm not sure that pattern holds up if you correct for age. In any case, it's not nearly that exciting or strong of a correlation, to let you guess who is going to die. [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03...