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I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. At

I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. At -2 (and counting) for this currently, any downvoters care to comment as to why? If indeed this publication is a propaganda mouthpiece, then my surprise that they're publishing something that reflects badly on their medical providers should be easy to understand

wakenmeng 7y ago
Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. It is not they said that china gov controls all media and social posts. And most of the videos u saw on twitter which gov staffs' violence are posted on Chinese social media first to explore and report this to the gov. They are just similar to other countries' gov staffs' enforcement violations. It happends sometimes, but when it happened in China, they tagged "CCP violence".
- Melting_Harps 7y ago
  > Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. Agreed. But, that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count in just Wuhan as many locals reported that crematoriums were running 24/7 and urns were being delivered by the truckload daily for the families of the dead [1]. I don't think we'll ever truly know the death count from all of this on Mainland China, mainly because the CCP are trying to spin the optics away from their culpability in trying to cover it up and the censorship to do so while trying to change the narrative to suit their ends. 1: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-government-coronavirus-death-toll-is-low-2020-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-...
  - redis_mlc 7y ago
    It's well-known that corona viruses wipe out ICU staff, so there's really nothing to hide. It was reported with SARS-1 (2002/2003) in Toronto and S. Korea, and probably China. IIRC, with SARS-2, it was a major concern in Italian and US hospitals.
    - robocat 7y ago
      The most interesting parts of the article to me were: 1. They had enough PPE (quite possible - the first place hit should have plenty available) 2. No staff caught the virus (this seems unlikely - even with perfect protection at work, some should have caught it at home?)
      - Gibbon1 7y ago
        One of the things I read was the Chinese isolated doctors and nurses working with COVID19 patients.
      - redis_mlc 7y ago
        If you read the article carefully and look at the pictures, they had issues. One picture shows a doctor wearing plastic shopping bags over their shoes. Also, the previous staff did get ill, partly because of changing in the dark in a small room. The current staff fixed the lighting and added mirrors. Contamination from dressing and undressing scrubs was also a problem in Toronto hospitals with SARS-1.
  - peteretep 7y ago
    > that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count The Chinese populace aren't stupid, and China doesn't have the level of totalitarian control that North Korea has. Flat out denying it happened is a great way to weaken how much trust the population have in the state media. Highlighting the (supposed) superiority of the Chinese approach to solving it to the rest of the world, now there's a gold mine, and you can be very subtle about that.
9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
The other interesting admission is that the first case was Jan 3 and the ward was flooded with patients by mid-January, well before the CCP finally took action and locked down Wuhan on Jan 23rd.
peteretep 7y ago
> I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. Sounds like a great way to establish credibility, while throwing local Wuhan officials even further under the bus. This is not a story about how everything is perfect in China, 'cuz that's not believable to anyone. It's a story about how Central Government eventually fixed everything with the help from Patriots, which I think is going to be in increasing contrast to the Federal Government in the US, again despite a great deal of individual heroism on the ground level and a fair amount of competence in the civil service.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
It's a classic hero's journey kinda article - a few paragraphs later the author does some chest-beating about how they made some small changes which (miraculously, given the existing conditions) avoided having ANY medical staff infected - a bold claim, too good to be true given the situation when they came in. I mean a lot of stories posted on HN are about how things were shit but how a hero came in and fixed things. The article wouldn't have worked if it was someone coming into a ward where everything was already great - there would be nothing to improve, nothing to be proud of, and if anything they could only talk about how bad things were. You want an upwards story, not a flat one.

wakenmeng 7y ago

Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. It is not they said that china gov controls all media and social posts. And most of the videos u saw on twitter which gov staffs' violence are posted on Chinese social media first to explore and report this to the gov. They are just similar to other countries' gov staffs' enforcement violations. It happends sometimes, but when it happened in China, they tagged "CCP violence".

Melting_Harps 7y ago
> Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. Agreed. But, that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count in just Wuhan as many locals reported that crematoriums were running 24/7 and urns were being delivered by the truckload daily for the families of the dead [1]. I don't think we'll ever truly know the death count from all of this on Mainland China, mainly because the CCP are trying to spin the optics away from their culpability in trying to cover it up and the censorship to do so while trying to change the narrative to suit their ends. 1: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-government-coronavirus-death-toll-is-low-2020-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-...
- redis_mlc 7y ago
  It's well-known that corona viruses wipe out ICU staff, so there's really nothing to hide. It was reported with SARS-1 (2002/2003) in Toronto and S. Korea, and probably China. IIRC, with SARS-2, it was a major concern in Italian and US hospitals.
  - robocat 7y ago
    The most interesting parts of the article to me were: 1. They had enough PPE (quite possible - the first place hit should have plenty available) 2. No staff caught the virus (this seems unlikely - even with perfect protection at work, some should have caught it at home?)
    - Gibbon1 7y ago
      One of the things I read was the Chinese isolated doctors and nurses working with COVID19 patients.
    - redis_mlc 7y ago
      If you read the article carefully and look at the pictures, they had issues. One picture shows a doctor wearing plastic shopping bags over their shoes. Also, the previous staff did get ill, partly because of changing in the dark in a small room. The current staff fixed the lighting and added mirrors. Contamination from dressing and undressing scrubs was also a problem in Toronto hospitals with SARS-1.
- peteretep 7y ago
  > that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count The Chinese populace aren't stupid, and China doesn't have the level of totalitarian control that North Korea has. Flat out denying it happened is a great way to weaken how much trust the population have in the state media. Highlighting the (supposed) superiority of the Chinese approach to solving it to the rest of the world, now there's a gold mine, and you can be very subtle about that.

9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago

The other interesting admission is that the first case was Jan 3 and the ward was flooded with patients by mid-January, well before the CCP finally took action and locked down Wuhan on Jan 23rd.

peteretep 7y ago

> I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. Sounds like a great way to establish credibility, while throwing local Wuhan officials even further under the bus. This is not a story about how everything is perfect in China, 'cuz that's not believable to anyone. It's a story about how Central Government eventually fixed everything with the help from Patriots, which I think is going to be in increasing contrast to the Federal Government in the US, again despite a great deal of individual heroism on the ground level and a fair amount of competence in the civil service.

Cthulhu_ 7y ago

It's a classic hero's journey kinda article - a few paragraphs later the author does some chest-beating about how they made some small changes which (miraculously, given the existing conditions) avoided having ANY medical staff infected - a bold claim, too good to be true given the situation when they came in. I mean a lot of stories posted on HN are about how things were shit but how a hero came in and fixed things. The article wouldn't have worked if it was someone coming into a ward where everything was already great - there would be nothing to improve, nothing to be proud of, and if anything they could only talk about how bad things were. You want an upwards story, not a flat one.