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I understand what you are saying. I wish there was a aolution though. Nobody care about anything 5+ years down the road. Everyone magically assumes some magic i

by harikb 7y ago

I understand what you are saying. I wish there was a aolution though. Nobody care about anything 5+ years down the road. Everyone magically assumes some magic invention will undo years of ignoring science. Anyways, in this particular case, it is probably not preventable, but I wish we could quantify the effect closer to a year or two.

mschuster91 7y ago
Current politicians don't care about anything 5+ years in the future. The youth very well does, see e.g. Fridays for future movement. We need a maximum age for politicians, and mandate ethnic, gender and age diversity in politics. Additionally we have to incentivize long-term thinking and disincentivize short term optimization. As long as we are in capitalism, an idea would be a 2 million dollar bonus to be paid out 20 years after a politician retires - which is only valid if the decisions this politician took during their time in office had a quantifiably positive impact for general society.
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  > We need a maximum age for politicians, and mandate ethnic, gender and age diversity in politics. This is a terrible idea. If you can’t vote the power structure will just abuse you without thinking. See the total lack of freedom and respect for children, non-citizens, whether visitors or residents, permanent or temporary, and for felons deprived of a vote. Relying on people being good because it’s nice works much worse than relying on them not harming you because it will have consequences. If you want a representative pool of politicians mandating “diversity” is the wrong way to do it. Use sortition. Draft legislators in much the same way jurors are compelled to serve. I would not want to have this be the only way legislators are chosen because a legislature with an average IQ of 100 where most people had not graduated college does not seem likely to be full of the highly competent. I’d support one chamber chosen this way and another elected though. Competence isn’t the only valuable thing.

by harikb 7y ago

mschuster91 7y ago

Current politicians don't care about anything 5+ years in the future. The youth very well does, see e.g. Fridays for future movement. We need a maximum age for politicians, and mandate ethnic, gender and age diversity in politics. Additionally we have to incentivize long-term thinking and disincentivize short term optimization. As long as we are in capitalism, an idea would be a 2 million dollar bonus to be paid out 20 years after a politician retires - which is only valid if the decisions this politician took during their time in office had a quantifiably positive impact for general society.

barry-cotter 7y ago
> We need a maximum age for politicians, and mandate ethnic, gender and age diversity in politics. This is a terrible idea. If you can’t vote the power structure will just abuse you without thinking. See the total lack of freedom and respect for children, non-citizens, whether visitors or residents, permanent or temporary, and for felons deprived of a vote. Relying on people being good because it’s nice works much worse than relying on them not harming you because it will have consequences. If you want a representative pool of politicians mandating “diversity” is the wrong way to do it. Use sortition. Draft legislators in much the same way jurors are compelled to serve. I would not want to have this be the only way legislators are chosen because a legislature with an average IQ of 100 where most people had not graduated college does not seem likely to be full of the highly competent. I’d support one chamber chosen this way and another elected though. Competence isn’t the only valuable thing.