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Unfortunately I don't think this is true at all: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-underco

Unfortunately I don't think this is true at all: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/at-home-covid-19-deaths-may-be-significantly-undercounted-in-new-york-city-idUSKBN21P3KF https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-fdny/a...

ksk 6y ago
I read the link and unfortunately the "data" as far as I could tell is people's opinions and assumptions. Is there any other source/data?
- DanBC 6y ago
  In the UK we have two death counts. The one that's used most (the one that appears every day) is here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c9... That is people who test positive for Covid-19 who then die in hospital. The other one collected by the office for national statistics is people who die where covid-19 is listed on the death certificate. There's some lag in those numbers. https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving-the-coronavirus-covid-19/ https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#coviddeaths https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... It's hard to know how many deaths occur out of hospital, but it's possible about half of covid-19 deaths are happening in care homes. Covid-19 rips through care homes because the patients are by definition older and more frail; the staff have less PPE and less training in using PPE; the staff (in the UK) are often on very low pay which means they sometimes work in multiple homes; they carehomes sometimes have terrible sick pay terms. https://twitter.com/AdelinaCoHe/status/1249359297588473858 https://twitter.com/AdelinaCoHe/status/1249359297588473858 https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/ https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-co... (Lots of caveats, and care needed with these numbers, but) > Key findings: > Official data on the numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is not available in many countries > Due to differences in testing availabilities and policies, and to different approaches to recording deaths, international comparisons are difficult > Data from 3 epidemiological studies in the United States show that as many as half of people with COVID-19 infections in care homes were asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) at the time of testing > Data from 5 European countries suggest that care home residents have so far accounted for between 42% and 57% of all deaths related to COVID-19.
  - Thlom 6y ago
    As far as I have heard from Norway, not a single person that has been on a ventilator due to Covid-19 has died. The average age of the dead is 84 years old, which is a bit older than the average life expectancy in Norway. What I can gather from this information is that almost all deaths have happened in care homes or with older people who gets care at home.

ksk 6y ago

I read the link and unfortunately the "data" as far as I could tell is people's opinions and assumptions. Is there any other source/data?

DanBC 6y ago
In the UK we have two death counts. The one that's used most (the one that appears every day) is here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c9... That is people who test positive for Covid-19 who then die in hospital. The other one collected by the office for national statistics is people who die where covid-19 is listed on the death certificate. There's some lag in those numbers. https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving-the-coronavirus-covid-19/ https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#coviddeaths https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... It's hard to know how many deaths occur out of hospital, but it's possible about half of covid-19 deaths are happening in care homes. Covid-19 rips through care homes because the patients are by definition older and more frail; the staff have less PPE and less training in using PPE; the staff (in the UK) are often on very low pay which means they sometimes work in multiple homes; they carehomes sometimes have terrible sick pay terms. https://twitter.com/AdelinaCoHe/status/1249359297588473858 https://twitter.com/AdelinaCoHe/status/1249359297588473858 https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/ https://ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-co... (Lots of caveats, and care needed with these numbers, but) > Key findings: > Official data on the numbers of people affected by COVID-19 is not available in many countries > Due to differences in testing availabilities and policies, and to different approaches to recording deaths, international comparisons are difficult > Data from 3 epidemiological studies in the United States show that as many as half of people with COVID-19 infections in care homes were asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) at the time of testing > Data from 5 European countries suggest that care home residents have so far accounted for between 42% and 57% of all deaths related to COVID-19.
- Thlom 6y ago
  As far as I have heard from Norway, not a single person that has been on a ventilator due to Covid-19 has died. The average age of the dead is 84 years old, which is a bit older than the average life expectancy in Norway. What I can gather from this information is that almost all deaths have happened in care homes or with older people who gets care at home.