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> If you do, he will retaliate (by, for example, withholding badly needed aid) Has this actually occurred? I know NY asked for way more ventilators than they

by rlt 7y ago

> If you do, he will retaliate (by, for example, withholding badly needed aid) Has this actually occurred? I know NY asked for way more ventilators than they got, but as I understood it they were giving them out "just in time" rather than up front in case they were needed more elsewhere.

aboodman 7y ago
Yes, it was withheld for several days for Michigan: https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/03/28/after-demanding-praise-trump-finally-approves-coronavirus-aid-for-michigan https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/03/28/aft...
jschwartzi 7y ago
Yes. Early in the outbreak, several of the western states including Washington asked for full FEMA aid but received nothing except some disaster counseling aid, while Florida received huge shipments of medical supplies. Trump as much as said he was waiting for Governor Jay Inslee of Washington to say something nice about him before opening up aid to Washington, which is unconscionable. We seem to be doing just fine here without the Federal Government. In fact we've sent 400 ventilators back to the national stockpile and we also returned the Army hospital that was established at Safeco Field back because we didn't need the capacity. Trump did eventually authorize FEMA to pay for the National Guard response here.
tmh79 7y ago
There are also lots of reports of confiscations of PPE: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-f... https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/feds-confiscate-ppe-gowns-from-ma-fire-department-chief-says https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/fe... https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fema-denies-involvement-in-ppe-seizures https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fema-denies-involvement... I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but this smells real bad to me. The reports of confiscations are coming from democratic states, not republican states. And it seems like republican lobbyists are getting into the game of distributing PPE: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bob-livingston-group-mike-gula-blue-flame-national-governors-association-covid-19-coronavirus-supplies-n95 https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bob-livingston-group-mike... What it seems to me is happening is a coordinated yet amateurish attempt to restrict the PPE flow to/within democratic states, while allowing the free flow of PPE in republican states. This allows some lobbyists to make money off of it, as well as sticking a finger in the eye of dem leaders (and dying people/healthcare workers in dem states).
- rlt 7y ago
  > https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/feds-confiscate-ppe-gowns-from-ma-fire-department-chief-says https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/fe... On the other hand, does the fire department for a town of 27,000 people really need 30,000 gowns, or could those be put to better use elsewhere?
- jakeogh 7y ago
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-GrBy67LY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-GrBy67LY
bredren 7y ago
It isn't only about who it is withheld from, it is who is favored and given to. Florida, where President Trump moved his residence to and who's governor he enjoys a special relationship with, has had greater success than other states in requesting and receiving allocations from the federal stockpile: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/desperate-for-medical-equipment-states-encounter-a-beleaguered-national-stockpile/2020/03/28/1f4f9a0a-6f82-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/despe...

by rlt 7y ago

aboodman 7y ago

Yes, it was withheld for several days for Michigan: https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/03/28/after-demanding-praise-trump-finally-approves-coronavirus-aid-for-michigan https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/03/28/aft...

jschwartzi 7y ago

Yes. Early in the outbreak, several of the western states including Washington asked for full FEMA aid but received nothing except some disaster counseling aid, while Florida received huge shipments of medical supplies. Trump as much as said he was waiting for Governor Jay Inslee of Washington to say something nice about him before opening up aid to Washington, which is unconscionable. We seem to be doing just fine here without the Federal Government. In fact we've sent 400 ventilators back to the national stockpile and we also returned the Army hospital that was established at Safeco Field back because we didn't need the capacity. Trump did eventually authorize FEMA to pay for the National Guard response here.

tmh79 7y ago

There are also lots of reports of confiscations of PPE: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-f... https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/feds-confiscate-ppe-gowns-from-ma-fire-department-chief-says https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/fe... https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fema-denies-involvement-in-ppe-seizures https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fema-denies-involvement... I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but this smells real bad to me. The reports of confiscations are coming from democratic states, not republican states. And it seems like republican lobbyists are getting into the game of distributing PPE: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bob-livingston-group-mike-gula-blue-flame-national-governors-association-covid-19-coronavirus-supplies-n95 https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bob-livingston-group-mike... What it seems to me is happening is a coordinated yet amateurish attempt to restrict the PPE flow to/within democratic states, while allowing the free flow of PPE in republican states. This allows some lobbyists to make money off of it, as well as sticking a finger in the eye of dem leaders (and dying people/healthcare workers in dem states).

rlt 7y ago
> https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/feds-confiscate-ppe-gowns-from-ma-fire-department-chief-says https://www.firehouse.com/safety-health/ppe/news/21133559/fe... On the other hand, does the fire department for a town of 27,000 people really need 30,000 gowns, or could those be put to better use elsewhere?
jakeogh 7y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-GrBy67LY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-GrBy67LY

bredren 7y ago

It isn't only about who it is withheld from, it is who is favored and given to. Florida, where President Trump moved his residence to and who's governor he enjoys a special relationship with, has had greater success than other states in requesting and receiving allocations from the federal stockpile: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/desperate-for-medical-equipment-states-encounter-a-beleaguered-national-stockpile/2020/03/28/1f4f9a0a-6f82-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/despe...