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I think you're correct, but the announcement is still welcome. People are gonna be waiting forever for any semblance of federal guidance, so at least these 3 st

by kylemh 6y ago

I think you're correct, but the announcement is still welcome. People are gonna be waiting forever for any semblance of federal guidance, so at least these 3 states has decided they'll make calls together.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
In this case, I would be vastly more comfortable if the answer were "No, Doreen, you really are as dumb as you think. Their plan is 1... 2.... 3...." The US governmental system has a long history of injecting bureaucratic nonsense that takes on a life of its own and ends up with outcomes like "teaching to the test" instead of being a net benefit. I would feel differently if this were an announcement of a joint task force for sharing data to help each state make the best decisions possible. But this sounds to me like it will just make it harder for each state to make a decision on their own and that it probably doesn't really add any value. And that concerns me.
- wahern 6y ago
  Yeah, this falls far short of what these states should be saying, something like "We're feverishly working on building out the infrastructure for wide-scale population testing and tracing, but we will not lift shelter-in-place until we're confident the infrastructure is in place in all three states to contain any outbreaks". I have the same beef with Mayor Breed in San Francisco, who has otherwise shown standout leadership. She's publicly worried that people will let their guard done by assuming things are under control. Rather than worry about people's feelings and opinions, she should be setting expectations exactly as I described above.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    I was just talking to someone yesterday about impaired vasodilation as a possible explanation for why people are dying at such high rates on ventilators. I'm hopeful that we will soon have some better treatments in place that will make this infection less deadly and thus less of a boogeyman.
- wolco 6y ago
  It means these states will together decide when to reopen. A task force would provide that bureaucratic waste. What is the advantage of Oregon having more data to decide to reopen a week before California. The value of them standing together gives poltical shielding against a national government. They speak for the entire west coast. I wonder if other regions will do the same. Mountain states, Northern states, the South as a group wouldn't do this which would group them by subtraction.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    It almost sounds like we three states are preparing for some kind of federal intervention in our politics if we continue social distancing after Trump orders our states to reopen.

by kylemh 6y ago

DoreenMichele 6y ago

In this case, I would be vastly more comfortable if the answer were "No, Doreen, you really are as dumb as you think. Their plan is 1... 2.... 3...." The US governmental system has a long history of injecting bureaucratic nonsense that takes on a life of its own and ends up with outcomes like "teaching to the test" instead of being a net benefit. I would feel differently if this were an announcement of a joint task force for sharing data to help each state make the best decisions possible. But this sounds to me like it will just make it harder for each state to make a decision on their own and that it probably doesn't really add any value. And that concerns me.

wahern 6y ago
Yeah, this falls far short of what these states should be saying, something like "We're feverishly working on building out the infrastructure for wide-scale population testing and tracing, but we will not lift shelter-in-place until we're confident the infrastructure is in place in all three states to contain any outbreaks". I have the same beef with Mayor Breed in San Francisco, who has otherwise shown standout leadership. She's publicly worried that people will let their guard done by assuming things are under control. Rather than worry about people's feelings and opinions, she should be setting expectations exactly as I described above.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  I was just talking to someone yesterday about impaired vasodilation as a possible explanation for why people are dying at such high rates on ventilators. I'm hopeful that we will soon have some better treatments in place that will make this infection less deadly and thus less of a boogeyman.
wolco 6y ago
It means these states will together decide when to reopen. A task force would provide that bureaucratic waste. What is the advantage of Oregon having more data to decide to reopen a week before California. The value of them standing together gives poltical shielding against a national government. They speak for the entire west coast. I wonder if other regions will do the same. Mountain states, Northern states, the South as a group wouldn't do this which would group them by subtraction.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  It almost sounds like we three states are preparing for some kind of federal intervention in our politics if we continue social distancing after Trump orders our states to reopen.