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Been in the industry for 20+ years and never once have I seen anything remotely resembling what this manifesto describes. I've seen several attempts to go in th
by m0zg 7y ago
Been in the industry for 20+ years and never once have I seen anything remotely resembling what this manifesto describes. I've seen several attempts to go in this approximate direction, though, each ending in a disaster because what's described there calls for a drastic, "be all end all" over-design that either doesn't do anything useful at all (example: "zero code"), or is so complicated that nobody can figure out how to use it (example: one of the distributed systems frameworks I worked on at Google - very general, reusable and modular, but you'd need a PhD to even understand it conceptually).
This seems to be written by someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about, but would like to "help" by "writing". Reminds me of this scene from "The Fifth Element": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHO7FRsQAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHO7FRsQAA
It's akin to looking down into a shaft of a coal mine and suggesting that miners should breathe fresh air and stay above ground, because what they currently do is not good for their health.
- goatlover 7y agoSmalltalk, Lisp, Cedar, Emacs, Hypercard and Lotus Notes come to mind.
- cosmotic 7y agoI'm sorry, how is emacs easy to use (as per manifesto)?
- goatlover 7y agoThere is a bit of a learning curve. I guess Hypercard and Lotus Notes would have be the easiest to learn. Maybe throw Excel in also since it can be used (or abused) for a lot of things.
- scroot 7y agoEmacs never really got the "popular test" that something like Hypercard did at a very important time in the adoption of personal computing, probably because most normal personal computer users didn't have access to it. But what we do see from the Hypercard days is a completely different -- even opposite -- relationship of average people to their computing media than we have today. It's both a compelling demonstration of what's possible and what's been lost
- carapace 7y agoSecretaries were extending emacs using lisp in the 70's. No one told them it was programming so they just read the manual and did it.
- iLemming 7y agoThere's a difference between "easy" and "simple." Emacs is not easy to use, but learning it may lead to simplicity. Have you ever noticed, there's a correlation between something hard to learn and simplicity and vice-versa? i.e., something that is easy to pick up, very often over time, becomes hard to extend and not so simple to use anymore. Experts use tools that are not easy to learn. But learning them simplifies things for them later. Can you imagine if someone tries to re-design a cockpit of a commercial airliner and replace all the instruments with a single touch-based display, a la Tesla, because that's more intuitive and easy?
- carapace 7y agoThey want a MUD? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD