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I really wish it were the case that most devs on the MS-stack don't drink the kool-aid and use all-things-Microsoft. There are still devs using DataSet's in VB.

by mythz 16y ago

I really wish it were the case that most devs on the MS-stack don't drink the kool-aid and use all-things-Microsoft. There are still devs using DataSet's in VB.NET, pushing the SOAP envelope, using the MS Patterns & Practices stack and continue to develop ASP.NET web apps like state-heavy windows apps since that's what they were told to do. I don't blame anyone for forming a stereo type on .NET devs, considering pre-ASP.NET MVC (years late to the game), there was no competing web framework to the anti-web state-heavy ASP.NET, simply because IMHO there was none sanctioned for use by MS. Sadly there is an inherent Microsoft culture that will only believe and advocate anything as long as they've read it on microsoft.com. Despite their failed DAL's and poor application frameworks, Truth is IMHO Microsoft have created a superior development platform with C#/.NET and with VS.NET/R# by the C# devs side, it's one of the most productive ones to use. Fortunately there are free-thinking pro developers, not constrained to think inside MS toolbox, who just want to use the best software they can use, regardless of the culture. Interestingly it seems a lot of the time C#/FOSS devs will independently come to the same conclusions on best-of-class FOSS software to use: e.g. nginx / redis / linux / naigos -- i.e. the best tool for the job. StackOverflow is clearly one such 'pro-dev company' not shackled to the MS Platform nor will purposely/religiously maintain an anti-MS stance since they'll continue to use MS tools and products where they think to be highest quality (i.e. C# / IIS7 / SQL Server). It's quite clear StackOverflow has a job to do, and they'll end up choosing the best tools they think to do it. I believe this pro-dev, high-quality culture is why they've become so popular, providing some of the most enjoyable website experiences on the Internet - all without skipping a beat, or with a hint of growing pains.

bad_user 16y ago
I like your comment, but there's something untold here: There's value in thinking inside the box - MySQL / PostgreSQL may not be the best in any category, but with inside knowledge of the internals, you may fine tune it to surpass any competitor in performance / scalability. I can't find the project right now, but there was this one guy that made a plugin for MySQL which allowed him to get passed the query parser/optimizer and talked directly with InnoDB ... with the result being much better performance than Memcached; using InnoDB as storage. And because the Memcached protocol is public, heck, you could even have memcache-clients talking directly to your DB. Not having loyalty to technologies or companies is pragmatic and kick-ass and makes you better in some ways - but it also gives you a wishy-washy attitude, and this outside-of-the-box thinking is actually inside-the-box from at least one perspective, as you'll end up jack of all trades, master of none. And if you are going to master a piece of technology, which would you rather choose? A proprietary piece of technology that's best in class for what it does, for which you don't have access to source code, and which might be discontinued after Microsoft invents this new / shiny and backwards incompatible alternative? Or an open-source alternative that's slightly worse in benchmarks or tools available or features - but that you can make it your bitch in any way imaginable? Pick your poison.

by mythz 16y ago

bad_user 16y ago

I like your comment, but there's something untold here: There's value in thinking inside the box - MySQL / PostgreSQL may not be the best in any category, but with inside knowledge of the internals, you may fine tune it to surpass any competitor in performance / scalability. I can't find the project right now, but there was this one guy that made a plugin for MySQL which allowed him to get passed the query parser/optimizer and talked directly with InnoDB ... with the result being much better performance than Memcached; using InnoDB as storage. And because the Memcached protocol is public, heck, you could even have memcache-clients talking directly to your DB. Not having loyalty to technologies or companies is pragmatic and kick-ass and makes you better in some ways - but it also gives you a wishy-washy attitude, and this outside-of-the-box thinking is actually inside-the-box from at least one perspective, as you'll end up jack of all trades, master of none. And if you are going to master a piece of technology, which would you rather choose? A proprietary piece of technology that's best in class for what it does, for which you don't have access to source code, and which might be discontinued after Microsoft invents this new / shiny and backwards incompatible alternative? Or an open-source alternative that's slightly worse in benchmarks or tools available or features - but that you can make it your bitch in any way imaginable? Pick your poison.