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Yes, that is the tradeoff you are making to keep actual human beings from dying painfully. You can afford to give up a few days of your privacy for that. Reall

Yes, that is the tradeoff you are making to keep actual human beings from dying painfully. You can afford to give up a few days of your privacy for that. Really, you can.

syshum 7y ago
Really you are going to come back at me with a Privacy vs Safety fallacy. If that is all the justification you have, you have already lost the debate. That kind of justification can be used for all manner of dystopian programs. Authoritarians have been limiting privacy and freedom for centuries on the basis of safety. Right now in congress the EARNIT act is attempting to use that very argument for the "safety of children" we all need to give up E2E encryption No I completely reject your premise that because of safety I need to give up my privacy
- DagAgren 7y ago
  No, there is no fallacy. There really isn't. You privacy is NOT more important than a human life, which is exactly what is at stake here. Claiming otherwise is utterly sociopathic.
  - syshum 7y ago
    No it means I would rather die with privacy and liberty than to live in an Authoritarian Dystopia with no liberty or privacy it is not sociopathic to put an extremely high value on privacy and liberty
    - DagAgren 7y ago
      No, it does not mean that. It means you would rather let OTHER people die with your privacy. You are literally valuing your privacy higher than the life of other people. And yes, that is sociopathic.
      - syshum 7y ago
        So do you draw any line on this, or should all privacy be void as long as it saves 1 life? For example should I have my every moment monitored because I might hurt someone? Should everyone have to have a BAC monitor on their cars so save people from drunk driving? Just trying to see if there is any limits in your Authoritarian world
        DagAgren 7y ago
        Of course I draw lines. Any sane person draws lines. And the current situation is far, far beyond that line, as should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning sense of empathy.

Yes, that is the tradeoff you are making to keep actual human beings from dying painfully. You can afford to give up a few days of your privacy for that. Really, you can.

syshum 7y ago

Really you are going to come back at me with a Privacy vs Safety fallacy. If that is all the justification you have, you have already lost the debate. That kind of justification can be used for all manner of dystopian programs. Authoritarians have been limiting privacy and freedom for centuries on the basis of safety. Right now in congress the EARNIT act is attempting to use that very argument for the "safety of children" we all need to give up E2E encryption No I completely reject your premise that because of safety I need to give up my privacy

DagAgren 7y ago
No, there is no fallacy. There really isn't. You privacy is NOT more important than a human life, which is exactly what is at stake here. Claiming otherwise is utterly sociopathic.
- syshum 7y ago
  No it means I would rather die with privacy and liberty than to live in an Authoritarian Dystopia with no liberty or privacy it is not sociopathic to put an extremely high value on privacy and liberty
  - DagAgren 7y ago
    No, it does not mean that. It means you would rather let OTHER people die with your privacy. You are literally valuing your privacy higher than the life of other people. And yes, that is sociopathic.
    - syshum 7y ago
      So do you draw any line on this, or should all privacy be void as long as it saves 1 life? For example should I have my every moment monitored because I might hurt someone? Should everyone have to have a BAC monitor on their cars so save people from drunk driving? Just trying to see if there is any limits in your Authoritarian world
      - DagAgren 7y ago
        Of course I draw lines. Any sane person draws lines. And the current situation is far, far beyond that line, as should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning sense of empathy.