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I didn't say they have. But autonomy doesn't mean immunity from fatalities as well. Their cars as it is already lower overall fatality rate.

MiroF 7y ago
But they don't have autonomy. Maybe they lower fatality rate but they are not anywhere near Waymo (or Cruise for that matter) if you look at the metrics.
- aquadrop 7y ago
  It's weird that I have to point out second time I _didn't say they have autonomy_. And what's wrong with lowering fatality rate whatever your competitors are doing? Also, I'm anxious to see Waymo released, but current reality is what it is, Waymo is still in testing.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    > And what's wrong with lowering fatality rate whatever your competitors are doing? It's not actually clear that Tesla lowers the fatality rate. Tesla's driver assist features only work on highways, and highway miles are some of the safest. But the data you get compares assisted teslas on highways to average drivers on all roads. And it's not clear that Tesla is categorically better than competitor's driver assist technology (https://qz.com/1414132/teslas-first-accident-report-claims-its-four-times-safer-than-the-us-average/ https://qz.com/1414132/teslas-first-accident-report-claims-i...). So nothing you've claimed is strongly supported by evidence, and given that these are safety claims that you're parroting from tesla, I'm going to reiterate: Tesla's claims of improved safety and marketing are dangerous since they aren't true. > It's weird that I have to point out second time I _didn't say they have autonomy_. Right, but Tesla does, they call their driver assist "Autopilot".
    - zlsa 7y ago
      Autopilot != autonomy in cars or in planes.
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        I'm not sure what you're getting at. In planes (and especially in planes in pop culture), autopilot does allow flight without keeping your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road, so to speak.

MiroF 7y ago

But they don't have autonomy. Maybe they lower fatality rate but they are not anywhere near Waymo (or Cruise for that matter) if you look at the metrics.

aquadrop 7y ago
It's weird that I have to point out second time I _didn't say they have autonomy_. And what's wrong with lowering fatality rate whatever your competitors are doing? Also, I'm anxious to see Waymo released, but current reality is what it is, Waymo is still in testing.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  > And what's wrong with lowering fatality rate whatever your competitors are doing? It's not actually clear that Tesla lowers the fatality rate. Tesla's driver assist features only work on highways, and highway miles are some of the safest. But the data you get compares assisted teslas on highways to average drivers on all roads. And it's not clear that Tesla is categorically better than competitor's driver assist technology (https://qz.com/1414132/teslas-first-accident-report-claims-its-four-times-safer-than-the-us-average/ https://qz.com/1414132/teslas-first-accident-report-claims-i...). So nothing you've claimed is strongly supported by evidence, and given that these are safety claims that you're parroting from tesla, I'm going to reiterate: Tesla's claims of improved safety and marketing are dangerous since they aren't true. > It's weird that I have to point out second time I _didn't say they have autonomy_. Right, but Tesla does, they call their driver assist "Autopilot".
  - zlsa 7y ago
    Autopilot != autonomy in cars or in planes.
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      I'm not sure what you're getting at. In planes (and especially in planes in pop culture), autopilot does allow flight without keeping your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road, so to speak.