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> They haven't listed what's actually technically better about it than in systemd. (not subjectively) And even to avoid running headlong into this troll pit: L

by msla 7y ago

> They haven't listed what's actually technically better about it than in systemd. (not subjectively) And even to avoid running headlong into this troll pit: Linux distros without systemd exist. It's dishonest to compare FreeBSD to Linux and then only focus on a subset of Linux distros.

viraptor 7y ago
I chose systemd since BSD's init has some points over the classic init used in linux previously. But any of the modern choices which actually manage processes (upstart, systemd, whatever you prefer) score a few technical points. Definitely didn't intend to single out systemd as better in this case.
lmm 7y ago
> And even to avoid running headlong into this troll pit: Linux distros without systemd exist. It's dishonest to compare FreeBSD to Linux and then only focus on a subset of Linux distros. Are any of them mature enough to depend on for serious work? I looked at moving back to Linux a few months ago, but all the non-systemd distributions seemed to be small projects and many of them looked to have schismed, collapsed, or both.
- KitDuncan 7y ago
  Void is a small project, but absolutely rock solid. It's BSD inspired and systemd free. I like it a lot.
  - _emacsomancer_ 7y ago
    I can also vouch for Void - I've used it on my primary laptop for about 4 years. It's a solid distro, with a great community. Void is very configurable, and it's easy to contribute to the project. It's also unlike a number of 'systemd free' distros (many of which are essentially "Distro X, except without systemd") because its non-use of systemd is not out of some hate for systemd, but because the developers decided after using systemd (Void adopted systemd for a time really early on) that it conflicted with other goals of the project (like offering a musl libc flavour alongside a glibc flavour).
  - Jonnax 7y ago
    Here's the thing. I would run: Ubuntu, Debian, Centos or Red Hat on my laptop, desktop and also on any server that I run. I wouldn't run any small distro in AWS.
    - freedomben 7y ago
      Have to agree here. I get a lot of benefits professionally from running Linux personally. I've been a full time desktop linux user over 10 years, and I'm often considered the "linux wizard" because I'm known for SSHing into servers and fixing obscure errors that others have looked at for hours with no success. My secret, is that I've run into most of the common problems (filesystem permission issues, including ACLs, selinux, low memory/OOM, conflicting dependency versions, etc) before and already mostly know how to fix them. The time I did on Arch was particularly helpful here. It was a hard first week or so but I learned more about linux during that two weeks than any other time. Anyway the reasons I say that: These days I only run distros locally that I would run in production. I get intimately familiar with the intricacies of the distro that way and managing the servers comes natural to me because of that.
- RMPR 7y ago
  Alpine and AntiX, I use them in VMs because they are lightweight, so far no issues.
  - freedomben 7y ago
    What kind of apps do you run? A variety of languages/platforms? Some stuff runs great in Alpine. Other stuff is subtlety but catastrophically broken in Alpine (such as database servers/clients and others that depend highly on locale for determining encoding).
    - Grimm665 7y ago
      Agreed. I thought Alpine was superb until I ran into an issue mounting NFS shares that seem to be mountable just fine on every other Linux machine I've got lying around. No idea what's wrong with Alpine's NFS.
    - RMPR 7y ago
      > What kind of apps do you run? A variety of languages/platforms? Mainly Python, some issues with Musl, but nothing too bad. Anyway, these days I tend to mainly use AntiX.
- meshenna 7y ago
  Gentoo, maybe?
- favadi 7y ago
  I know some developers use Gentoo with OpenRC for their daily work machines.
- probably_wrong 7y ago
  Devuan is a fork of Debian and it's alive and well.
- _ZeD_ 7y ago
  Slackware is still here looking at you guys
  - Koshkin 7y ago
    Slackware is the one Linux I keep coming back to after trying out something else. As always, it just works (and no dependency checking in its package managers is a blessing compared to dealing with some issues in Ubuntu or Debian; for others there's always pkgsrc, by the grace of NetBSD).
- robertlagrant 7y ago
  Ah, "serious work". That well-known absolute thing that is the same for everyone.
aganame 7y ago
None of those are beyond hobby level, though.

by msla 7y ago

viraptor 7y ago

I chose systemd since BSD's init has some points over the classic init used in linux previously. But any of the modern choices which actually manage processes (upstart, systemd, whatever you prefer) score a few technical points. Definitely didn't intend to single out systemd as better in this case.

lmm 7y ago

> And even to avoid running headlong into this troll pit: Linux distros without systemd exist. It's dishonest to compare FreeBSD to Linux and then only focus on a subset of Linux distros. Are any of them mature enough to depend on for serious work? I looked at moving back to Linux a few months ago, but all the non-systemd distributions seemed to be small projects and many of them looked to have schismed, collapsed, or both.

KitDuncan 7y ago
Void is a small project, but absolutely rock solid. It's BSD inspired and systemd free. I like it a lot.
- _emacsomancer_ 7y ago
  I can also vouch for Void - I've used it on my primary laptop for about 4 years. It's a solid distro, with a great community. Void is very configurable, and it's easy to contribute to the project. It's also unlike a number of 'systemd free' distros (many of which are essentially "Distro X, except without systemd") because its non-use of systemd is not out of some hate for systemd, but because the developers decided after using systemd (Void adopted systemd for a time really early on) that it conflicted with other goals of the project (like offering a musl libc flavour alongside a glibc flavour).
- Jonnax 7y ago
  Here's the thing. I would run: Ubuntu, Debian, Centos or Red Hat on my laptop, desktop and also on any server that I run. I wouldn't run any small distro in AWS.
  - freedomben 7y ago
    Have to agree here. I get a lot of benefits professionally from running Linux personally. I've been a full time desktop linux user over 10 years, and I'm often considered the "linux wizard" because I'm known for SSHing into servers and fixing obscure errors that others have looked at for hours with no success. My secret, is that I've run into most of the common problems (filesystem permission issues, including ACLs, selinux, low memory/OOM, conflicting dependency versions, etc) before and already mostly know how to fix them. The time I did on Arch was particularly helpful here. It was a hard first week or so but I learned more about linux during that two weeks than any other time. Anyway the reasons I say that: These days I only run distros locally that I would run in production. I get intimately familiar with the intricacies of the distro that way and managing the servers comes natural to me because of that.
RMPR 7y ago
Alpine and AntiX, I use them in VMs because they are lightweight, so far no issues.
- freedomben 7y ago
  What kind of apps do you run? A variety of languages/platforms? Some stuff runs great in Alpine. Other stuff is subtlety but catastrophically broken in Alpine (such as database servers/clients and others that depend highly on locale for determining encoding).
  - Grimm665 7y ago
    Agreed. I thought Alpine was superb until I ran into an issue mounting NFS shares that seem to be mountable just fine on every other Linux machine I've got lying around. No idea what's wrong with Alpine's NFS.
  - RMPR 7y ago
    > What kind of apps do you run? A variety of languages/platforms? Mainly Python, some issues with Musl, but nothing too bad. Anyway, these days I tend to mainly use AntiX.
meshenna 7y ago
Gentoo, maybe?
favadi 7y ago
I know some developers use Gentoo with OpenRC for their daily work machines.
probably_wrong 7y ago
Devuan is a fork of Debian and it's alive and well.
_ZeD_ 7y ago
Slackware is still here looking at you guys
- Koshkin 7y ago
  Slackware is the one Linux I keep coming back to after trying out something else. As always, it just works (and no dependency checking in its package managers is a blessing compared to dealing with some issues in Ubuntu or Debian; for others there's always pkgsrc, by the grace of NetBSD).
robertlagrant 7y ago
Ah, "serious work". That well-known absolute thing that is the same for everyone.

aganame 7y ago

None of those are beyond hobby level, though.